This Week on Broadway for August 16, 2015: Mitch Weiss and Hamilton Review

  James Marino interviews Mitch Weiss, author of the book, The Business of Broadway. Peter Filichia, Michael Portantiere, and Carey Purcell join in for reviews of The Public Theater's production of Cymbeline, and the Broadway production of Hamilton, Peter reviews the 1214 Foundation's production of Liberty Smith @ Newtown High School, and we talk about Carey's article from Playbill, "Career or Children? Why Theatre Parents Feel Forced to Choose"   ---------------------------------- This Week on Broadway has been coming to you (mostly) every week since March 16, 2009 and is the longest running Broadway and theatrical podcast with more then 300 shows giving thousands of reviews and hundreds of interviews. Please take the BroadwayRadio survey by CLICKING HERE. Subscribe to BroadwayRadio in iTunes by CLICKING HERE. ---------------------------------- If you would like to listen to the podcast, click on the arrow in the player below. Panel: Peter Filichia | peter@broadwayradio.com | Facebook PETER FILICHIA is a theater journalist and historian with a number of books, his most recent is, "The Great Parade", available everywhere. His columns appear at MTI, Kritzerland, Masterworks Broadway, Broadway Select and many other places. James Marino | james@broadwayradio.com | Twitter | Facebook BroadwayStars Michael Portantiere | michael@broadwayradio.com | Facebook MICHAEL PORTANTIERE is a theater reviewer and essayist, whose work appears at TalkinBroadway, The Sondheim Review and BroadwayStars. He is also a theatrical photographer whose photos have appeared in The New York Times and other major publications. You can see his photography work at FollowSpotPhoto.com. Carey Purcell | cpurcell@playbill.com | Twitter | Website CAREY PURCELL is a staff writer and the features editor of Playbill.com. Her new column, "A Woman's World" focuses on covering women's issues, both on and Off-Broadway by highlighting successful women in the industry and the challenges they have faced. She can be followed on Twitter @PlaybillCarey and at her blog CareyPurcell.com.   Notes and links for the podcast. Guest: Mitch Weiss, Author, Manager The Business of Broadway by Mitch Weiss and Perri Gaffney An Insider’s Guide to Working, Producing, and Investing in the World’s Greatest Theatre Community Mitch Weiss has managed several hundred Broadway and off-Broadway shows including Tony Award-winners A Chorus Line, The Grapes of Wrath, and Beauty and the Beast, and has over forty years of management and producing experience with such clients as Disney Theatrical Productions, New York Shakespeare Festival, and Big Apple Circus, as well as many other successful and well-known recording, sports, and theatrical artists. He has been a certified ATPAM manager since 1985 and teaches management courses at New York University. He is the author of Managing Artists in Pop Music with Perri Gaffney (Allworth Press). He lives in New York City. IBDB JustLearnSomething.US   Reviews: PF + CP + MP: The Public Theater's production of Cymbeline @ The Delacorte Theater in Central Park, through August 23, 2015 Flashback -- This Week on Broadway for July 19, 2015: Raul Esparza, Wild Party   CP + MP + JM: Hamilton @ Richard Rodgers Theatre, 226 W 46th St Lin-Manuel Miranda Performs at the White House Poetry Jam Writer and star of the Broadway musical In the Heights, Lin-Manuel Miranda performs "The Hamilton Mixtape" at the White House Evening of Poetry, Music, and the Spoken Word on May 12, 2009. Accompanied by Alex Lacamoire.   Meet Hamilton's Other Leading Man, Standing By for Lin-Manuel Miranda for More Than Ten Years by Carey Purcell   "Hamilton": A founding father takes to the stage by CBS Sunday Morning When Lin-Manuel Miranda sings about the drive of the "young, scrappy and hungry" immigrant, he's not singing about just any immigrant. He's singing about the man on the ten dollar bill, Alexander Hamilton. As Mo Rocca reports, Hamilton's musical journey to the stage is as revolutionary as the young revolutionary who helped create the America we know.   Not Throwing Away My Shot (Tumblr) Everything "Hamilton"   PF: 1214 Foundation's production of Liberty Smith @ Newtown High School, CT Flashback -- This Week on Broadway for September 10, 2012: Van Dean           News:  Career or Children? Why Theatre Parents Feel Forced to Choose by Carey Purcell Flashback -- This Week on Broadway for March 1, 2015: Georgia Stitt Space on Ryder Farm The Lilly Awards Recognizing Extraordinary Contributions To The American Theatre Made By Women

100 Essays I Don't Have Time to Write: On Umbrellas and Sword Fights, Parades and Dogs, Fire Alarms, Children, and Theater* *Please consider these essays as starting points. Consider them starting points for someone else to finish. These essays were written over a period of about five years, a period in which I also gave birth to three babies. In a way these essays were my best defense against the vaporous lack of memory that comes with very little sleep. As an exercise, I would see, if I happened to have had a thought in the morning, if I could hold it, and write it down by nightfall, after the kids had gone to sleep. Those thoughts, held fast against sleeplessness and various other forms of domestic chaos, became this collection of short essays.

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If you have a few hours and would like to help out, contact james@broadwayradio.com.   YouTube Transcript: (Beta) 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,529 coming up on friday deals this week on broadway we interview Mitch Weiss who is 2 00:00:07,529 --> 00:00:11,120 the author of the book business a broadway Peter Michael in Cary join in 3 00:00:11,120 --> 00:00:14,660 for reviews helped the Public Theater's production is simply in the Broadway 4 00:00:14,660 --> 00:00:18,630 production of Hamilton Peter review the twelve fourteen foundations production 5 00:00:18,630 --> 00:00:22,289 of Liberty Smith at Newtown High School and we talked about carries article from 6 00:00:22,289 --> 00:00:27,810 playbill career or children why theater parents feel forced to choose that plus 7 00:00:27,810 --> 00:00:51,090 more please stay tuned 8 00:00:51,090 --> 00:00:57,660 shot hello and welcome to broadly videos this week on Broadway for Sunday August 9 00:00:57,660 --> 00:01:03,940 16th 2015 it's a hot one here in New York in my name is James Moreno with us 10 00:01:03,940 --> 00:01:07,800 this morning we have beautiful Asian Michael port on tiara and carry purcell 11 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,160 peter is a theater journalist and historian with a number of books his 12 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,800 most recent is the great parade which is available everywhere his column security 13 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,850 empty I creature land masterworks Broadway Broadway select in many other 14 00:01:18,850 --> 00:01:23,979 places good morning peter i hi also with this is Mike important here michael is a 15 00:01:23,979 --> 00:01:27,940 theater reviewer in essayists his work appears to talkin Broadway the tops on 16 00:01:27,940 --> 00:01:32,149 time review and Broadway stars he is also at the actual photographer whose 17 00:01:32,149 --> 00:01:35,399 photos have appeared in the New York Times in many other major publications 18 00:01:35,399 --> 00:01:38,970 you can see it's photography work at five spot photos are calm good morning 19 00:01:38,970 --> 00:01:43,729 Michael morning also with this is Carrie purcell carey is a staff writer and 20 00:01:43,729 --> 00:01:47,810 features editor playbill.com her new column a woman's world focuses on 21 00:01:47,810 --> 00:01:51,990 uncovering women's issues both on and off Broadway by highlighting successful 22 00:01:51,990 --> 00:01:56,020 women in the industry and the challenges that they have faced she can be followed 23 00:01:56,020 --> 00:02:00,410 on Twitter at play bill Carey and her blog carry purcell dot com twenty carry 24 00:02:00,410 --> 00:02:05,600 good morning with us today we have a very special guest Mitch Weiss who is 25 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:09,849 the co-author of the business of Broadway is joining us to tell us about 26 00:02:09,849 --> 00:02:15,510 what it's like to write a book that talks about the Broadway business 27 00:02:15,510 --> 00:02:20,150 the subtitle of the book is an insider's guide to working purchasing and 28 00:02:20,150 --> 00:02:24,700 investing in the world's greatest theater community I met Harry you i 29 00:02:24,700 --> 00:02:28,840 James great to talk to you all thanks for coming on I really appreciated I was 30 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:33,040 very intrigued by this book I love the process books about how to get from 31 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:38,360 point A to point B in a lot of our listeners are either students or people 32 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:43,330 that run a regional theaters and this type of information doesn't very often 33 00:02:43,330 --> 00:02:47,849 make it out there because we're so enthralled with videos of cell phone 34 00:02:47,849 --> 00:02:54,120 people plugging stuff in on stage and still the real information doesn't make 35 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:54,920 it out 36 00:02:54,920 --> 00:03:00,300 unless you come to New York and work for a producer AGM and so I wanna know 37 00:03:00,300 --> 00:03:05,700 what's your story how did you acquire all this knowledge 38 00:03:05,700 --> 00:03:16,310 well it has to do with age and being around long enough to have accumulated 39 00:03:16,310 --> 00:03:23,720 knowledge as a manager the greatest part of the job is I know what everybody 40 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,290 else's life is about 41 00:03:26,290 --> 00:03:32,040 I know when the wardrobe person has an answer was sick I know when someone's 42 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:36,690 pregnant I know someone's drunk I know if someone has a complaint against 43 00:03:36,690 --> 00:03:40,950 someone else I know what everyone's getting paid I know how they got their 44 00:03:40,950 --> 00:03:47,120 job and relatives they are every aspect of every part of the show is very 45 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:54,340 personal for me because that's how I help keep everybody working together and 46 00:03:54,340 --> 00:03:57,150 you're talking about the general manager's position in a Broadway show 47 00:03:57,150 --> 00:04:04,260 right and company managed company manage the company manager job is the day to 48 00:04:04,260 --> 00:04:10,010 day running of the show the general manager oversees the larger picture in 49 00:04:10,010 --> 00:04:14,850 the negotiations and the setting up of the shore and makes the largest 50 00:04:14,850 --> 00:04:20,130 decisions but the company manager is a TV show and therefore represents the 51 00:04:20,130 --> 00:04:26,419 producer and the general manager moment by moment basis so how did you get into 52 00:04:26,419 --> 00:04:32,490 this what was your first job in theater and in Broadway actually I started his 53 00:04:32,490 --> 00:04:39,310 musical director and composer I had a few shows produced originally but I 54 00:04:39,310 --> 00:04:45,380 wanted to learn from the best guess the auction was do I become a big fish in a 55 00:04:45,380 --> 00:04:52,389 small party or do I get to be a small fish in a big pond and I always wanted 56 00:04:52,389 --> 00:04:58,190 to work for help Prix was my dream and my first job on Broadway was the 57 00:04:58,190 --> 00:05:00,520 original Pacific overtures working 58 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:09,289 for how Prince wow I was the assistant press rep which of course is not 59 00:05:09,289 --> 00:05:15,370 something nice to be but it was my would have empty garbage can so it didn't 60 00:05:15,370 --> 00:05:21,840 matter to me and I learned a tremendous amount on that show in just a few months 61 00:05:21,840 --> 00:05:28,580 that it ran the same year as a chorus line and Chicago so it didn't have a 62 00:05:28,580 --> 00:05:32,060 chance in excuse the expression hell yeah 63 00:05:32,060 --> 00:05:42,130 voted win two Tony Awards and it didn't win drama drama drama desk no wasn't 64 00:05:42,130 --> 00:05:46,550 drunk and maybe it was best musical but that was because it was the previous 65 00:05:46,550 --> 00:05:56,159 year from a chorus line 1011 of the big awards and it was a wonderful show I 66 00:05:56,159 --> 00:06:01,650 I got to work with my first big celebrity as the system I get I got to 67 00:06:01,650 --> 00:06:09,840 ask or Elizabeth Taylor Laurie backstage an introducer to cast that was all Asian 68 00:06:09,840 --> 00:06:17,139 American South Saito and jobs for Motorola Marco I had a lot to learn so 69 00:06:17,139 --> 00:06:22,020 I'm going through your bio here and it says you've managed that's as several 70 00:06:22,020 --> 00:06:26,099 hundred Broadway and off-broadway shows including Tony award-winners the core a 71 00:06:26,099 --> 00:06:31,240 chorus line Grapes of Wrath and Beauty and the Beast so how did you get from 72 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:38,240 the system Press wrap all the way to into the company manager and GM's office 73 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:47,279 heart lock part because I was constantly introducing myself to people when 74 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:53,729 walking into people's offices after too few months some Pacific overtures I 75 00:06:53,729 --> 00:06:59,479 ended up winning producer kermit bloom gardens artists who was doing Equus and 76 00:06:59,479 --> 00:07:06,940 opening poor murderer which was not a success and I it was better than waiting 77 00:07:06,940 --> 00:07:11,159 on tables for me and I still thought I was going to end up a musical director 78 00:07:11,159 --> 00:07:13,910 in fact whereas I'm Pacific overtures 79 00:07:13,910 --> 00:07:18,470 as I played piano for some of these actors in the course who were 80 00:07:18,470 --> 00:07:23,310 auditioning for other shows and they would ask me to just cannot accompany 81 00:07:23,310 --> 00:07:30,920 them so I was keeping that you going but I was thrilled end up on their questions 82 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:36,230 and Paul murder and camera blooming garden another amazing producer you know 83 00:07:36,230 --> 00:07:43,550 having done the miracle worker and Diary of Anne Frank and of course working on 84 00:07:43,550 --> 00:07:47,850 it goes to school hallways and from there I finally figured out what's going 85 00:07:47,850 --> 00:07:53,690 on and let the next person I had to work for with joe papp and it took me a 86 00:07:53,690 --> 00:08:00,340 couple years to get there and a lot of unemployment but I eventually made it 87 00:08:00,340 --> 00:08:05,770 into the Public Theater and three and a half years and that kind of solidified 88 00:08:05,770 --> 00:08:12,940 my life as a manager thats where I was headed in that's what I was going to end 89 00:08:12,940 --> 00:08:20,980 up doing so you also have been a member of a cam since 1985 so tell our 90 00:08:20,980 --> 00:08:25,050 listeners who don't know what a pam is what it is and how that relates to 91 00:08:25,050 --> 00:08:33,700 Broadway yes and please anybody who's thinking of joining me at camp manager 92 00:08:33,700 --> 00:08:44,310 association of the actual press agents and managers wanted 18 unions on 93 00:08:44,310 --> 00:08:51,870 broadway which amazes many people there are very few industries that is so you 94 00:08:51,870 --> 00:08:58,590 know he's but then again there are still unscrupulous people out there who would 95 00:08:58,590 --> 00:09:05,780 find a way not to pay people were on broadway if they could hold unions help 96 00:09:05,780 --> 00:09:11,870 make sure that happens he'll make sure we get pensions and health care it's not 97 00:09:11,870 --> 00:09:18,970 so much that we get paid that much it's just the benefits and the security so I 98 00:09:18,970 --> 00:09:25,379 i very much and union guy 99 00:09:25,379 --> 00:09:32,919 job of manager really is one that requires an apprenticeship for a couple 100 00:09:32,919 --> 00:09:37,720 years under another manager and then you have to take a written and oral test 101 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:41,759 very much are going to law school because it's your job to make sure you 102 00:09:41,759 --> 00:09:46,709 producer and general manager don't get caught in penalties and make big 103 00:09:46,709 --> 00:09:51,299 financial mistakes on the show and the best part of the job after James this is 104 00:09:51,299 --> 00:09:57,569 so much fun you do it $15,000,000 musical you get to spend all fifteen 105 00:09:57,569 --> 00:10:09,589 weeks it's your job yes and it cost $150,000 well you may not be the one 106 00:10:09,589 --> 00:10:14,939 making the ultimate decision but in general you're the one who's giving them 107 00:10:14,939 --> 00:10:22,349 are injured fifty thousand build a costume it's cool I'll of course I 108 00:10:22,349 --> 00:10:27,919 workout 1985 my first show having joined the Union by then having gone through 109 00:10:27,919 --> 00:10:32,929 the apprentice program but for sure was a chorus line and it was already running 110 00:10:32,929 --> 00:10:40,100 of course but it was handed ever everyone to show everyone is excited to 111 00:10:40,100 --> 00:10:41,539 be working on it 112 00:10:41,539 --> 00:10:47,220 everyone was nice to each other there was money to lure to pay for problems 113 00:10:47,220 --> 00:10:53,199 joe papp and Michael Bennet care about the show tremendously so you could get 114 00:10:53,199 --> 00:10:58,289 things done quickly and you can learn from it it was the best less than the 115 00:10:58,289 --> 00:11:00,369 best job I've ever had 116 00:11:00,369 --> 00:11:04,879 that's awesome so you've taken all these these experiences you've had through the 117 00:11:04,879 --> 00:11:10,299 years and turn them into this this book the business of Broadway so what 118 00:11:10,299 --> 00:11:18,259 inspired you to write this book I will tell you two things to very specific 119 00:11:18,259 --> 00:11:24,659 things managers and press agents talked about this all the time and we say to 120 00:11:24,659 --> 00:11:31,389 each other if one more producer walks up to Austin says hey I've got a few when 121 00:11:31,389 --> 00:11:36,220 you see why do we check out a full page and Sunday noon 122 00:11:36,220 --> 00:11:44,430 York Times any idea how much that costs and they look at you blank you said but 123 00:11:44,430 --> 00:11:50,410 you're in charge of Lake stupid decisions you ought to know that 124 00:11:50,410 --> 00:11:56,860 currently it's over $60,000 for one time one page and it used to be 125 00:11:56,860 --> 00:12:05,290 $140,000 when paper newspapers actually existed end date and you don't even have 126 00:12:05,290 --> 00:12:07,000 that much in the bank 127 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:16,340 you want to go forum people about this information before they make decisions 128 00:12:16,340 --> 00:12:21,670 and that was the impetus number one these investors who don't you can go 129 00:12:21,670 --> 00:12:29,820 with a general manager is supposed to do and the general and the producers who 130 00:12:29,820 --> 00:12:35,330 think you know I ran a very successful dry cleaning business I can do the same 131 00:12:35,330 --> 00:12:36,840 thing in theater 132 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:43,790 well yeah but I don't know how it works so well known about why there are two 133 00:12:43,790 --> 00:12:48,550 sets of stagehands on every show and why that makes sense as opposed to getting 134 00:12:48,550 --> 00:12:55,230 angry at it and why do musicians are paid by the theater and not by the 135 00:12:55,230 --> 00:13:01,410 producer and why this caused this amount why that caused that about and why you 136 00:13:01,410 --> 00:13:05,700 shouldn't waste your marketing money on this versus that trying to put it all in 137 00:13:05,700 --> 00:13:13,890 one book but number two i teach guests each various colleges and the arts 138 00:13:13,890 --> 00:13:18,460 administration programs these tuning student not know that they can work on 139 00:13:18,460 --> 00:13:25,110 broadway even if they're not an actor there are all of these jobs on every 140 00:13:25,110 --> 00:13:35,000 show you know I big musicals I hire 200 different positions and so how many of 141 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:39,250 them can be actors or directors or playwrights 142 00:13:39,250 --> 00:13:44,690 a lot of jobs and you can be part of this exciting place and you can bring it 143 00:13:44,690 --> 00:13:48,490 back to your regional theater is opposed to always being in 144 00:13:48,490 --> 00:13:54,279 the red in your nonprofit regional theater you can learn about ways to earn 145 00:13:54,279 --> 00:14:01,140 a buck and you knew cedar and still have the freedom of going back to your 146 00:14:01,140 --> 00:14:04,820 regional theater there's a lot to learn this way and I'm trying to encourage 147 00:14:04,820 --> 00:14:09,040 people to do it so I missed all the jobs how much money you make how you get two 148 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:14,399 jobs who you write to and trying to encourage people to join us 149 00:14:14,399 --> 00:14:20,420 so you've created a bloop a blueprint for her Broadway success which is 150 00:14:20,420 --> 00:14:26,190 incredibly awesome you might be the one person who can answer this question 151 00:14:26,190 --> 00:14:30,700 better than anybody else we've ever talked to on Broadway video is there any 152 00:14:30,700 --> 00:14:36,330 way to you know you brought the extremely valid point you've hired two 153 00:14:36,330 --> 00:14:40,950 hundred some-odd people for show is there any way to get control over prices 154 00:14:40,950 --> 00:14:45,720 have theater tickets if you have if you had the magic bullet is there any way to 155 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:51,570 do it I mean I know that it when you're paying 200 people a living wage you know 156 00:14:51,570 --> 00:14:55,540 it's expensive and so you're running costs might be the four five six hundred 157 00:14:55,540 --> 00:14:59,250 thousand dollars a week that we hear reported on running costs for some 158 00:14:59,250 --> 00:15:06,089 smaller show is so what do you think I i dont wanna make a blanket statement 159 00:15:06,089 --> 00:15:14,560 chart I'm going to make a black or a hit show all they have to do is drop the 160 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:19,700 prices there's plenty of money for a show that is suffering its going to 161 00:15:19,700 --> 00:15:24,820 close anyway and even though you wanted to run as long as possible through the 162 00:15:24,820 --> 00:15:31,089 salaries and you know joy will just not a big hit you want to give it a chance 163 00:15:31,089 --> 00:15:37,230 but the truth is green is everywhere and it is not the fault of the stage change 164 00:15:37,230 --> 00:15:42,630 northern musicians they make a living wage and that's it they're just a lot of 165 00:15:42,630 --> 00:15:51,709 people I think regarding Union salaries a lighting an electrician once told me 166 00:15:51,709 --> 00:15:58,180 if you don't tell me that you need to sink the Titanic every night on stage 167 00:15:58,180 --> 00:16:00,400 you don't have to hire is 168 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:08,730 many of us you can just have a set that looks great but isn't intricate and 169 00:16:08,730 --> 00:16:14,150 troublesome and therefore we will only ask you to hired the fewest number of 170 00:16:14,150 --> 00:16:20,010 stagehands needed but it did producer in the general manager come to us and say I 171 00:16:20,010 --> 00:16:23,550 need four thousand things to happen 172 00:16:23,550 --> 00:16:27,420 same moment we're gonna tell you how many people it takes to make that work 173 00:16:27,420 --> 00:16:31,560 eight times a week and that's what it's going to cost you the money so either 174 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:35,870 you followed the Disney he passed the Cameron Mackintosh Braun in which you 175 00:16:35,870 --> 00:16:42,340 have to lift an entire sunset boulevard set up into the air so that you can do a 176 00:16:42,340 --> 00:16:46,890 scene underneath it or you don't and that's where the costs are it's it's 177 00:16:46,890 --> 00:16:52,870 wonderful to see magic on stage don't get me wrong but it is about to planning 178 00:16:52,870 --> 00:16:58,460 and the design that determines what the costs are there are simple shows on 179 00:16:58,460 --> 00:17:04,200 Broadway that charge as much as the intricate shoves without reason except 180 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:12,560 you read what else to tell you it's a horror to me the problem with premium 181 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:14,180 pricing which is great 182 00:17:14,180 --> 00:17:19,350 believe me as a manager I want as much money for my producer and gestures as 183 00:17:19,350 --> 00:17:26,240 possible but just a kid there are people willing to spend $450 a seat to see Book 184 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:32,200 of Mormon is outrageous what they're willing and it's very hard to drop 185 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:37,190 prices if there are people out there perhaps the 1 percenters perhaps not 186 00:17:37,190 --> 00:17:44,200 they're willing to spend that money how do we convince people to not buy those 187 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,090 tickets I don't know how to do that 188 00:17:47,090 --> 00:17:53,040 yeah it's you know really something you bring up sunset boulevard it's exactly 189 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:59,040 what I thought of immediately you know did we need to lift the house so Joe 190 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:03,810 Gillis could walk underneath it and sing half of the song and things like that 191 00:18:03,810 --> 00:18:08,960 so maybe the spectacle of it all added to it but certainly you know when you 192 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:12,470 have shows with two hundred some-odd people in it and they're expensive and 193 00:18:12,470 --> 00:18:15,650 people have to make a living in its expensive to live in New York in and 194 00:18:15,650 --> 00:18:22,120 around New York so these things happen very few people go home with enough more 195 00:18:22,120 --> 00:18:27,490 than enough money to just pay their rent it's very few rich people coming out of 196 00:18:27,490 --> 00:18:32,570 these shows except in some cases the investors and and good for them I'm not 197 00:18:32,570 --> 00:18:38,770 against that not the workers there are very few people that I would argue with 198 00:18:38,770 --> 00:18:47,320 their salary so tell us about you know the book you're walking through it it's 199 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:52,610 it's it's very nicely broken down it's too easily understandable categories and 200 00:18:52,610 --> 00:18:56,030 so I encourage we have lots of students said listen to this 201 00:18:56,030 --> 00:19:01,740 listen to this broadcast so if you are somebody who wants to understand you 202 00:19:01,740 --> 00:19:09,490 know what a BRC does he know what is a wardrobe manager do what does what is a 203 00:19:09,490 --> 00:19:12,430 sound person to what is a lighting designer do you know other than the 204 00:19:12,430 --> 00:19:16,980 actor director and choreographer that everybody seems to have a good grasp on 205 00:19:16,980 --> 00:19:21,810 the rest of it as a big mystery to it and so I encourage people to pick up the 206 00:19:21,810 --> 00:19:28,250 book and get it so can they get this drama book shop on Amazon and Barnes and 207 00:19:28,250 --> 00:19:34,280 noble.com where can they get it is sitting drama bookshop it is on Amazon 208 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:40,890 Barnes and Noble eject the NYU bookstore hopefully we're going to get some other 209 00:19:40,890 --> 00:19:47,830 university university is to use it as a text book for some practical resource 210 00:19:47,830 --> 00:19:53,980 but we'll see if that happens the book just came out and you know as they said 211 00:19:53,980 --> 00:20:02,450 my hope is that it encourages people to invest and to work on broadway yes there 212 00:20:02,450 --> 00:20:08,700 are only so many jobs but you know people who love pets or know how you 213 00:20:08,700 --> 00:20:14,330 like training them or or raising dogs we really have one 214 00:20:14,330 --> 00:20:20,309 phenomenal dog trainer on broadway bill baloney there's room for more if you 215 00:20:20,309 --> 00:20:27,059 like children we have people backstage who wranglers in their part of the Union 216 00:20:27,059 --> 00:20:31,399 we have you like designing here you'd only have you don't only have to be a 217 00:20:31,399 --> 00:20:36,159 hairdresser there on every show for designing weeks we have them on every 218 00:20:36,159 --> 00:20:43,409 show it's it's there's a lot of choices and you're not gonna get filthy rich 219 00:20:43,409 --> 00:20:48,000 this way but you do make a living said Roger Berlin says the best way to make a 220 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:55,830 million dollars on Broadway's to start with ten million yeah it's also very 221 00:20:55,830 --> 00:21:00,510 said you we all go into this business thinking there's a chance you're gonna 222 00:21:00,510 --> 00:21:10,510 make a lot of money but not that's not our impetus unfortunate we arts me to be 223 00:21:10,510 --> 00:21:18,360 subsidized even with Broadway being making a million she reaches a billion 3 224 00:21:18,360 --> 00:21:26,850 I'm sorry this year it's still a variety of tourists it's it's not enough to make 225 00:21:26,850 --> 00:21:30,000 anybody on the show go home 226 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:35,750 rich well you know you worked at the at the public Joseph path in Chino you 227 00:21:35,750 --> 00:21:38,590 don't make a lot of money putting on free parking free shows in central park 228 00:21:38,590 --> 00:21:45,419 so we have to have people out there that come to support it so outside your book 229 00:21:45,419 --> 00:21:51,179 you have a website just learned something that also is this a complement 230 00:21:51,179 --> 00:21:55,760 to the Booker what is just learned something important states just loan 231 00:21:55,760 --> 00:22:04,490 structuring . us' yes ok I dot com dot net their excerpts from the book on 232 00:22:04,490 --> 00:22:09,940 there there's a way to make comments and have a discussion with the authors we 233 00:22:09,940 --> 00:22:11,840 are gonna post 234 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:18,470 future discussions and updates occurs you know every dream on some union is 235 00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:24,320 renegotiating its prices and the book you know that we put out has the prices 236 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:25,270 as of 237 00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:33,980 so we and updated on there are also hoping to start a few classes you know 238 00:22:33,980 --> 00:22:41,100 outside of regular school next to no money to just help people learn the 239 00:22:41,100 --> 00:22:46,780 practical side of the field and to see if this is where they want to spend 240 00:22:46,780 --> 00:22:53,110 their life I've also worked in regional theaters and not we are certainly not 241 00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:58,690 profits which by the way are are allowed to make profit on Google walk if you're 242 00:22:58,690 --> 00:23:04,690 not allowed to give it to investors Broadway has a whole bunch of not for 243 00:23:04,690 --> 00:23:09,410 profit theaters that some of which shouldn't be a not for profit but that's 244 00:23:09,410 --> 00:23:11,690 another story 245 00:23:11,690 --> 00:23:19,340 you are you working Nashville Omaha and still hoping we get something not just 246 00:23:19,340 --> 00:23:23,980 from the book but also by just signing up to be part of the discussion on just 247 00:23:23,980 --> 00:23:26,930 learned something that you less 248 00:23:26,930 --> 00:23:30,900 alright well thank you so much for joining us telling us about the book it 249 00:23:30,900 --> 00:23:34,520 is the business abroad way which is available at Amazon Barnes and Noble 250 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:39,070 stabbing the drama book shopping get it there too and also stop by just learned 251 00:23:39,070 --> 00:23:42,950 something that you asked to join the conversation 252 00:23:42,950 --> 00:24:07,170 thank you so much for coming on this 253 00:24:07,170 --> 00:24:14,910 gonna talk about it and Cary and Michael have seen it and we have to have a 254 00:24:14,910 --> 00:24:20,140 discussion about the name of the show because it is it simply simple line 255 00:24:20,140 --> 00:24:28,740 symbol so what's your take on simply well back in 1961 there was a marvelous 256 00:24:28,740 --> 00:24:34,090 musical call keen about Edmund Kean the famous Shakespearean actor of the 19th 257 00:24:34,090 --> 00:24:38,430 century and it opened with the merchandise guy thought there was 258 00:24:38,430 --> 00:24:43,630 something new in the theater but no actually here he is selling pictures of 259 00:24:43,630 --> 00:24:48,230 Edmund Kean some of them are in color and some of the room black and white and 260 00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:54,700 you pay any plane one and top tennis for the colored one so anyway he talks about 261 00:24:54,700 --> 00:25:01,850 the you just pictures of Edmund Kean in hamlet near in Cymbeline so I've always 262 00:25:01,850 --> 00:25:07,060 said simply but Michael but did you say i've i've always said Cymbeline to but 263 00:25:07,060 --> 00:25:15,410 then somebody corrected me and said symbol I looked it up and from what I 264 00:25:15,410 --> 00:25:21,340 found it simple in so I guess we can take a pic we should ask Christian Borle 265 00:25:21,340 --> 00:25:27,220 carry you want to weigh in here 266 00:25:27,220 --> 00:25:31,040 anything I don't think I can come up with any other pronunciations I think 267 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:36,620 you guys have covered the mall I think the Q is silence so let's skip the 268 00:25:36,620 --> 00:25:40,640 pronunciation and we'll go with that show in the park 269 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:46,790 Peter give us your view on that what do you think so beautiful word isn't it I 270 00:25:46,790 --> 00:25:51,090 think it's quite a thing anyway 271 00:25:51,090 --> 00:25:59,180 symbol means a king but frankly is what makes a lot of decisions here and while 272 00:25:59,180 --> 00:26:03,750 the decision she makes is that her son from a previous marriage is going to 273 00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:09,100 marry his daughter now it's she thinks that they'd make such a cute couple 274 00:26:09,100 --> 00:26:13,470 together just in those days were talking now mean a deal that's a long time ago 275 00:26:13,470 --> 00:26:20,610 that in those days if a man married a princess when the king died 276 00:26:20,610 --> 00:26:26,429 he became King so that's what she really wants that's what's going on here so of 277 00:26:26,429 --> 00:26:31,880 course the daughter Imogen has a boyfriend herself posture misses his 278 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:39,059 name and the Queen wishes he was outside because she wants to kill him so it's 279 00:26:39,059 --> 00:26:44,020 this is considered to be a number of Shakespeare's greatest penalty can tell 280 00:26:44,020 --> 00:26:47,630 from this production Dan Sullivan I guess nobody told him that it was second 281 00:26:47,630 --> 00:26:52,900 to shakespeare they really make it entertaining classic now the thing is it 282 00:26:52,900 --> 00:27:01,270 is 300 questionable setlist longtime friend of any drama though the delicate 283 00:27:01,270 --> 00:27:05,870 on a pleasant evening not necessarily tonight but pleasant evening you're 284 00:27:05,870 --> 00:27:11,080 trying to get a little faster than it might so so it's a very good production 285 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:20,799 I think and certainly Patrick page is is the king of but the thing is I wonder if 286 00:27:20,799 --> 00:27:26,790 the budget is a little tight at the Shakespeare Festival because what we're 287 00:27:26,790 --> 00:27:32,799 dealing with here is nine people this is this the most modest production I can 288 00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:37,330 never call in terms of cats eyes at the delicate and then go about forty years 289 00:27:37,330 --> 00:27:44,530 but there's a lot of doubling and the wonderful thing about it is you might 290 00:27:44,530 --> 00:27:49,770 not even realize that especially with who plays prosecutors the romantic lead 291 00:27:49,770 --> 00:27:58,110 and and yet please close the son of the queen whose is a real downward and I 292 00:27:58,110 --> 00:27:59,130 think a lot of people 293 00:27:59,130 --> 00:28:05,260 prize draws say reactors abuse especially good at the at the doubling 294 00:28:05,260 --> 00:28:11,299 well anyway posthumous brags that his girlfriend loves him and and would never 295 00:28:11,299 --> 00:28:17,500 cheat on him but he says this at a bar where all the spices character 296 00:28:17,500 --> 00:28:24,370 ya como and notice yakimova almost kissed same yago I mean they're very 297 00:28:24,370 --> 00:28:32,440 similar in the sense that the evil people so rivals character says all into 298 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:37,860 bed and that leads into a lot of complications that cause everybody a lot 299 00:28:37,860 --> 00:28:44,530 of concern and a lot of problems will hear a by the way is his image and she 300 00:28:44,530 --> 00:28:53,290 does a lovely job just a lovely job and Patrick page has a voice that makes a 301 00:28:53,290 --> 00:28:59,810 bedroom voice that makes Barry White's seem like Minnie mouses ate too and 302 00:28:59,810 --> 00:29:03,280 really caperton is terrific 303 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:08,660 not only is the queen looking like she stepped out of a net drawing but also 304 00:29:08,660 --> 00:29:15,240 playing pool areas a guy and it'll take a while before some people realize that 305 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:20,270 this is Kate Burton so this is more than a case of you get what you pay for it 306 00:29:20,270 --> 00:29:25,870 because you really get a lot of this production not just time but a terrific 307 00:29:25,870 --> 00:29:30,090 tour de force in terms of people doubling but I hope it's because the 308 00:29:30,090 --> 00:29:35,650 director said all we can do it this way rather than the fact that Oscar Eustace 309 00:29:35,650 --> 00:29:37,270 said to him 310 00:29:37,270 --> 00:29:42,410 day and we can only afford nine people so I'm smart fact so that's my take on 311 00:29:42,410 --> 00:29:46,770 Cymbeline I've never known the Public Theater to shy away from a budget 312 00:29:46,770 --> 00:29:57,250 yeah well I'm so sorry so readers readers listeners emailed me and asked 313 00:29:57,250 --> 00:30:01,340 why we took so long to review this and we want to point out that although it 314 00:30:01,340 --> 00:30:05,650 opened on that the 23rd it they started product it started performances on the 315 00:30:05,650 --> 00:30:09,220 23rd of July and they go through the 23rd of August which is only a week away 316 00:30:09,220 --> 00:30:15,220 their official opening night was only this week I think it was they take a 317 00:30:15,220 --> 00:30:19,030 long time before they bring people in and you might wanna listen to our 318 00:30:19,030 --> 00:30:23,150 previous episode with Raul Esparza on any talks about the rehearsal process 319 00:30:23,150 --> 00:30:26,230 for the second show in the park which is 320 00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:29,700 truncated above the first show seems like the first show has the luxury of 321 00:30:29,700 --> 00:30:34,650 time but the second show is a little bit rushed so Michael what is your take on 322 00:30:34,650 --> 00:30:40,390 this show will I noticed the doubling as soon as I open the program which I don't 323 00:30:40,390 --> 00:30:44,150 always do before him but this time I didn't get it surprised me just reading 324 00:30:44,150 --> 00:30:48,500 in the program there it is worth mentioning that this show has a live 325 00:30:48,500 --> 00:30:55,370 orchestra but it's only for people of people so I guess maybe some of the 326 00:30:55,370 --> 00:30:59,929 budget went to that and by the way they're playing some really great music 327 00:30:59,929 --> 00:31:06,580 by Tom KITT I would say there were three or four songs in the show and one of 328 00:31:06,580 --> 00:31:11,130 them was really really really beautiful it's a duet that happens 329 00:31:11,130 --> 00:31:18,270 towards the end a duet between David and Jacob many trench did you guys notice 330 00:31:18,270 --> 00:31:19,790 that song 331 00:31:19,790 --> 00:31:26,640 yeah yeah I mean I I thought it was really beautiful so I thought in the 332 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:33,390 case of a posthumous Leonidas and clot and whatever is being doubled I I kind 333 00:31:33,390 --> 00:31:39,030 of assumed that was a definite artistic decision and and spurred on by the fact 334 00:31:39,030 --> 00:31:42,410 that the two characters and have her on stage at the same time and it's 335 00:31:42,410 --> 00:31:48,040 interesting because one is the the person whom the princess is truly in 336 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:53,010 love with posthumously in artists and the other one is is her unwanted suitor 337 00:31:53,010 --> 00:31:58,809 and Hamish Linklater is Peter mention he's so good it the two different voices 338 00:31:58,809 --> 00:32:04,559 that he did and and that ridiculous week he used for for Clottey is really 339 00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:10,020 something I I had it sting action though he clotting displayed as a real dollar 340 00:32:10,020 --> 00:32:16,080 and and and and really vulgar and kind of stupid and and he's that's his 341 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:20,929 traditional role but but he was so delightful as played by him is linklater 342 00:32:20,929 --> 00:32:28,299 that when he meets his end rather abruptly I i felt really bad from you 343 00:32:28,299 --> 00:32:32,050 know and especially the way that he meets his end 344 00:32:32,050 --> 00:32:36,150 kind of barbaric said that's that's interesting but you know that's always 345 00:32:36,150 --> 00:32:41,570 been one of the best things about shakespeare that we see the humanity and 346 00:32:41,570 --> 00:32:47,910 some of the the less reputable characters I as far as Kate Burton I 347 00:32:47,910 --> 00:32:52,540 thought she was fantastic and also it was interesting to me that the role was 348 00:32:52,540 --> 00:32:58,510 played so differently from Felicia receive shots conception of the role of 349 00:32:58,510 --> 00:33:03,170 several years ago at Lincoln Center that it might almost have been a different 350 00:33:03,170 --> 00:33:08,310 well a different role a different player now obviously a lot of this is due the 351 00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:13,860 director but how interesting that that such polar opposite poor trails can be 352 00:33:13,860 --> 00:33:20,010 so effective and I thought everyone was was created role at that it was one of 353 00:33:20,010 --> 00:33:26,500 his best roles ever I did feel I was not bored or for a second I thought it was 354 00:33:26,500 --> 00:33:31,230 incredibly entertaining I thought that uses the sort of play within a play 355 00:33:31,230 --> 00:33:38,410 concept was not terribly consistent throughout the show and I also am not 356 00:33:38,410 --> 00:33:42,360 sure that it helped to have such wildly different styles of presentation for 357 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:47,330 certain scenes for example when roll comes out he sings a song that was 358 00:33:47,330 --> 00:33:53,540 written exactly as a Vegas lounge act and it was the audience loved it he 359 00:33:53,540 --> 00:33:58,640 sounded great fantastic but nothing else in the show is like that and it did 360 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:05,400 kinda just seemed like as fair as 57 from style to style I i suppose Dan 361 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:12,490 Sullivan who is a great director did it because it recognizing the the fact that 362 00:34:12,490 --> 00:34:17,190 I guess this would be called a problem play is that what they call the wasn't 363 00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:25,040 very good but not very good but also what wonderful moments really there was 364 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:32,460 one line that struck me as I I literally went home she says something imogene 365 00:34:32,460 --> 00:34:40,050 says so much about to hand her a note and she fears that it has bad news about 366 00:34:40,050 --> 00:34:43,100 posthumously in Addison she says 367 00:34:43,100 --> 00:34:52,930 why tender me so on tender a message and I see that's really beautiful will so 368 00:34:52,930 --> 00:35:00,730 good for him and and it's it's so great to see it in the park as always and and 369 00:35:00,730 --> 00:35:05,110 with all of the with all the trappings of that and you get to see a lot of the 370 00:35:05,110 --> 00:35:08,660 foliage back at this stage in this production which you did not in the last 371 00:35:08,660 --> 00:35:13,540 one and really a very very very strong cast across the board I completely agree 372 00:35:13,540 --> 00:35:18,460 about Patrick page David far I haven't seen in awhile was great to see him back 373 00:35:18,460 --> 00:35:23,200 again and Willie rabe that voice she also has such a distinctive voice that 374 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:28,790 she uses so so well to her advantage so I really I think they deserve a lot of 375 00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:34,650 applause for this one and I didn't see this production but I was over at the 376 00:35:34,650 --> 00:35:42,310 the public's website looking at this and what a good-looking cast no yeah so 377 00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:47,460 carry what's your take on this I thought the use of the actors doubling up was to 378 00:35:47,460 --> 00:35:52,000 go with the play within a play concept I didn't it didn't occur to me that they 379 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,520 have cut back on the budget I thought it just tied in with how they had the the 380 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,250 crates and boxes on the sides of the stage with the names of other players on 381 00:35:59,250 --> 00:36:04,670 them and with everyone sitting back and watching it and I do think that claim 382 00:36:04,670 --> 00:36:10,070 the two roles was a great idea because he got to show off his incredible talent 383 00:36:10,070 --> 00:36:16,010 in both both types of characters I'm sure I'm sure right that that was part 384 00:36:16,010 --> 00:36:22,700 of that concept I i this was a problem play for me because it keeping in mind 385 00:36:22,700 --> 00:36:27,120 when it was written I really struggle with the idea of a woman's privacy being 386 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:31,620 violated the way it was also just so much discussion and violence and even 387 00:36:31,620 --> 00:36:36,340 death due to the idea of someone's chastity so I found myself despite an 388 00:36:36,340 --> 00:36:40,290 incredible cast a beautiful setting and I had the good fortune to be there in a 389 00:36:40,290 --> 00:36:44,870 beautiful night with great weather for myself rolling my eyes a few times and a 390 00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:49,680 friend of mine who directed the play at his college was watching me to see how 391 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,790 it's going to lose my cool 392 00:36:51,790 --> 00:36:56,830 I think the cast was fantastic I would listen to Patrick page read the phone 393 00:36:56,830 --> 00:37:01,320 book and I'm thrilled absolutely thrilled he's going to be in the revival 394 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,220 Spring Awakening I think that's a great role for him and I'm excited to see him 395 00:37:05,220 --> 00:37:10,580 on broadway again and I i love watching Lily rabe do shakespeare I think that 396 00:37:10,580 --> 00:37:15,030 she brings so much strength to her characters just the way she delivers her 397 00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:20,700 lines the way she stands by her presence on stages is really inspiring to me and 398 00:37:20,700 --> 00:37:26,230 I think that she she finds depth and characters that might not be found with 399 00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:30,390 in the hands of a less experienced actress I would love to just listen to 400 00:37:30,390 --> 00:37:36,360 her and him as shit dinner in talk even a stage in real life they probably just 401 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,670 have the most brilliant poetic conversations probably and i ended 402 00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:47,880 contender I think we all like to think that yes that's sure I was a kid I did 403 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:55,110 find myself kind of noticing all these other shakespearean plays and I know if 404 00:37:55,110 --> 00:37:57,830 they were referenced her just coincidence that the idea of the 405 00:37:57,830 --> 00:38:03,630 sleeping potion the idea of the woman dressing as a man the there are many 406 00:38:03,630 --> 00:38:09,750 plays going to in my opinion in detail about whether or not a woman is faithful 407 00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:13,800 to her lover but felt like Shakespeare's greatest hits 408 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:18,730 mashed together this one is not it in those terms this one isn't nearly as bad 409 00:38:18,730 --> 00:38:25,460 as much do I know that is the worst you know because it is case at least it's 410 00:38:25,460 --> 00:38:30,380 just it's like confined to posthumously and others who think she's been 411 00:38:30,380 --> 00:38:34,680 unfaithful and it's not like the whole town is condemning Aaron it's a 412 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:41,750 testament to Willie and his skill that i truly did enjoy watching much ado about 413 00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:50,090 nothing even well thinking and not so cool it's a real education for a 21st 414 00:38:50,090 --> 00:38:55,310 century woman to be watching these plays and and seen in the hands of great 415 00:38:55,310 --> 00:38:58,740 actors wow this actually did happen 416 00:38:58,740 --> 00:39:03,619 and this was entertainment back then but you know what somebody said to me when 417 00:39:03,619 --> 00:39:08,369 we were watching and this is true and we kind of I write this together it's it 418 00:39:08,369 --> 00:39:15,040 may be that the women are the object of of the that the scorned but it's the men 419 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:23,250 who are always in the wrong i mean try to think of a of a loved her character 420 00:39:23,250 --> 00:39:29,670 in shakespeare who is a female lover character who is not why is in and and 421 00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:36,090 good and not prone to all of those these horrible fits of jealousy and and going 422 00:39:36,090 --> 00:39:38,560 off on type tirades 423 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:42,390 I you know I can really think it's always the guys I have always said 424 00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:45,380 Juliette is two years ahead of Romeo 425 00:39:45,380 --> 00:39:50,210 her practical skill and the fact that she makes fun of him the first time that 426 00:39:50,210 --> 00:39:57,410 he tries to woo her she doesn't go pray now that's well it's so nice but not the 427 00:39:57,410 --> 00:40:04,260 way you talking about so I like and I loved the central Lubbock area lady am 428 00:40:04,260 --> 00:40:11,070 to you know she's nuts but but the six-part 30 she's a tough but that's 429 00:40:11,070 --> 00:40:25,250 another story to ok McCarron to talk about this a few years ago so I carry a 430 00:40:25,250 --> 00:40:33,630 surprise that symbol mean that was produced back and 1,600 Circo 431 00:40:33,630 --> 00:40:39,700 that would surprise you that the the attitudes that were shown there are very 432 00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:46,710 similar to the attitudes of the nineteen eighties nineties in 2000 so I'm not 433 00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:53,259 really shocked by that but let's jump back into the seventeen hundreds and 434 00:40:53,259 --> 00:40:58,660 where there's there's some little off-broadway show that has made it to 435 00:40:58,660 --> 00:41:02,259 the great white way I don't know if anybody's heard of it called Hamilton or 436 00:41:02,259 --> 00:41:09,720 something like we should work on the pronunciation of that one and Michael 437 00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:13,549 carrying I have seen it peter is going to see it this weekend he'll talk about 438 00:41:13,549 --> 00:41:21,329 it next week but I carry one with Hamilton how much time it we got it it's 439 00:41:21,329 --> 00:41:27,619 so exciting to have seen this show and its development going for a for a way to 440 00:41:27,619 --> 00:41:34,430 Broadway and seeing what how it really does present form of musical theatre and 441 00:41:34,430 --> 00:41:40,490 and storytelling and I think a truly unique a new way and I think that it's 442 00:41:40,490 --> 00:41:44,980 it's fantastic it's got a diverse cast that the founding fathers are all played 443 00:41:44,980 --> 00:41:51,220 by men who are not white and that the three sisters are played by women of 444 00:41:51,220 --> 00:41:55,430 different backgrounds I think that the variety of music in the show is 445 00:41:55,430 --> 00:42:01,880 absolutely stunning the storytelling told through rap is it there's so much 446 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:06,059 information packs into every line I'm just in awe of lemon Miranda for writing 447 00:42:06,059 --> 00:42:11,170 this and being able to take this 700 page book and all this history in all 448 00:42:11,170 --> 00:42:15,769 this detail is incredibly intimate detail about this man's life and put it 449 00:42:15,769 --> 00:42:19,339 into these reasons that I have not been able to get out of my head since seen it 450 00:42:19,339 --> 00:42:25,039 and i also have a really deep appreciation for how he presented the 451 00:42:25,039 --> 00:42:30,720 the women and Hamilton's life as these truly in my opinion detailed fleshed out 452 00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:34,079 four characters and he he 453 00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:38,220 the story ended with Hamilton's why star stage and Hamilton standing behind her 454 00:42:38,220 --> 00:42:40,200 and her talking about what she did 455 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:45,190 spoiler alert after he dies and I have so much appreciation for presenting 456 00:42:45,190 --> 00:42:46,500 their marriage and their 457 00:42:46,500 --> 00:42:52,600 only and is not only being about the man and the choreography is outstanding and 458 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:57,620 those dancers are never off the stage they are doing an incredible job up 459 00:42:57,620 --> 00:43:01,060 there for another very lengthy musical they never I don't think they ever 460 00:43:01,060 --> 00:43:07,870 stopped moving and I'm just so happy to see this on broadway to see it receiving 461 00:43:07,870 --> 00:43:12,760 this attention and ass acclaim and recognition and it really does it really 462 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:18,460 does hint towards a continuing involvement of musical theater and what 463 00:43:18,460 --> 00:43:21,180 that will be in the future 464 00:43:21,180 --> 00:43:26,160 Michael what did you think yeah I was thinking that somebody could have just 465 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:34,470 done a color-blind cast version of 1776 but how much better now we have this 466 00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:39,480 brilliant new musical that that is you know in addition to get to the 467 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:45,800 literature and and everyone loves it its I kept it gives a negative about it it 468 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:52,570 it takes a historical story that involved all white people and mostly men 469 00:43:52,570 --> 00:43:54,940 and and opens it up 470 00:43:54,940 --> 00:44:02,070 choo choo people of all colors because that's the way it's written and the one 471 00:44:02,070 --> 00:44:06,400 of one of the salient lines in it is immigrants we get the job done which is 472 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:11,890 why I've seen the show twice once on one side and that always gets in a credible 473 00:44:11,890 --> 00:44:16,970 response from the audience that happening at the ending that carrier 42 474 00:44:16,970 --> 00:44:22,870 it's it's so extraordinary I i I had tears in my eyes and people around me 475 00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:26,990 were crying at the end the way it first of all the way that Hamilton's wife 476 00:44:26,990 --> 00:44:34,900 gives him know what happens you know you know the betrayal if you will see sexual 477 00:44:34,900 --> 00:44:39,900 betrayal and then they have that moment where where they were you actually see 478 00:44:39,900 --> 00:44:45,870 them happen and that's overwhelming and then it goes on and then he shot and 479 00:44:45,870 --> 00:44:50,780 then it turns out that she is the custodian of his of his story his sis 480 00:44:50,780 --> 00:44:56,260 history and that left the very last moment where sheep she kind of realizes 481 00:44:56,260 --> 00:44:58,490 that herself and she gets a little gasps 482 00:44:58,490 --> 00:45:04,510 everyone around me Jane Lynch was sitting behind me she was crying she had 483 00:45:04,510 --> 00:45:12,369 she was like really stopping it it it's an extraordinary piece aight I if I 484 00:45:12,369 --> 00:45:16,110 could say anything negative about the only thing I would say is it's so much 485 00:45:16,110 --> 00:45:21,100 as being thrown at you so quickly because rap sense to move so quickly 486 00:45:21,100 --> 00:45:27,360 that I i didnt have a trouble trouble understanding a single word but 487 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:32,290 absorbing is another question so it some times I just kind of let it wash over me 488 00:45:32,290 --> 00:45:37,580 and you know is getting the general just went out without being able to process 489 00:45:37,580 --> 00:45:42,410 each line I cannot wait for the cast album I I know it's going to be one of 490 00:45:42,410 --> 00:45:49,850 my most played cast albums of law and i just i mean i think every school group 491 00:45:49,850 --> 00:45:53,369 in the world will see this show and it could probably keep running on that 492 00:45:53,369 --> 00:46:00,880 alone it's it's absolutely brilliant it I just I'm sorry that some things get 493 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,790 hype undeservedly because then when something like this comes along and 494 00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:08,690 everybody goes crazy I think some people's reaction is two oh come on it 495 00:46:08,690 --> 00:46:13,520 can't be that good but it you know it really is it really is that the opening 496 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,190 line of the New York Times review 497 00:46:15,190 --> 00:46:21,470 yes i know if i can jump back into really quickly I also think it's worth 498 00:46:21,470 --> 00:46:25,940 noting how how lyndon well recognizes how devoted his fans are and I think 499 00:46:25,940 --> 00:46:29,080 it's pretty awesome that for the lottery every day the cast goes out there and 500 00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,440 are not every day but the cast as go out there and perform for the people who've 501 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,700 been waiting in line for hours and I just think I've never seen anything like 502 00:46:36,700 --> 00:46:40,270 that really happened before and I think it's really really sweet and wonderful 503 00:46:40,270 --> 00:46:44,380 how they they recognize the devotion of their fans when I was going backstage 504 00:46:44,380 --> 00:46:48,910 interview cast member recently that the press agent told me way to the stage 505 00:46:48,910 --> 00:46:55,080 door and I thought really cause you won't be able to find me I need you 506 00:46:55,080 --> 00:47:00,430 stand by Javier menéndez ok now that's what he was the one who performed Barack 507 00:47:00,430 --> 00:47:01,369 Obama 508 00:47:01,369 --> 00:47:04,820 Saturday afternoon but it did take awhile to find the press agent is there 509 00:47:04,820 --> 00:47:06,930 were a lot of thin air 510 00:47:06,930 --> 00:47:11,290 ok question now here we are with the show with non-traditional casting and 511 00:47:11,290 --> 00:47:15,589 there's already talk about movies movie version now 512 00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:19,300 non-traditional casting has been the province of theater you don't see it on 513 00:47:19,300 --> 00:47:23,750 TV you don't see the movies what will happen with this becomes a movie will 514 00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:27,589 they do it will that the public who goes to movies who doesn't go to theater be 515 00:47:27,589 --> 00:47:34,900 thoroughly flummoxed by the whole idea but but but but it really was a black 516 00:47:34,900 --> 00:47:37,309 guy there was a white guy and I don't think so 517 00:47:37,309 --> 00:47:42,250 Iowa that what you're saying yeah I guess I am well no because it's written 518 00:47:42,250 --> 00:47:48,589 specifically for that it's it's not as if they're playing the historic George 519 00:47:48,589 --> 00:47:53,369 Washington and and and Aaron Burr and lies a Hamilton etcetera 520 00:47:53,369 --> 00:47:58,059 so i i think for that reason that the movie audience should be able to accept 521 00:47:58,059 --> 00:48:03,240 it unquestionably once faithful depictions that we gotta get people with 522 00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:09,579 wooden teeth and yeah really bad skin and I mean we're not going to see Hansen 523 00:48:09,579 --> 00:48:18,210 and Katy Perry in Hamilton on in the film of Hamilton but I could see you 524 00:48:18,210 --> 00:48:26,109 know in the fact that Lin Manuel Miranda created this this piece I don't think 525 00:48:26,109 --> 00:48:29,849 there's any chance of that happening i think is gonna happen the way that he 526 00:48:29,849 --> 00:48:34,210 wants it to happen or it's not gonna happen really faithful to his his 527 00:48:34,210 --> 00:48:39,119 colleagues and his friends his standby has been down by for 10 years I remember 528 00:48:39,119 --> 00:48:42,690 in his tony's acceptance speech for in the heights he grabbed I don't know 529 00:48:42,690 --> 00:48:46,180 about God but I believe in Chris Jackson and look who's playing george washington 530 00:48:46,180 --> 00:48:51,220 he's so faithful and loyal to his his company of actors and friends I really 531 00:48:51,220 --> 00:48:54,869 doubt that Hamilton will lose any of its integrity if he was involved in it being 532 00:48:54,869 --> 00:49:02,579 made into a movie so let me just weigh in for just a minute here that I had a 533 00:49:02,579 --> 00:49:09,150 very difficult time with the first maybe 10 minutes of the show to get 534 00:49:09,150 --> 00:49:15,839 understand the rap and and which is which surprising because I didn't expect 535 00:49:15,839 --> 00:49:17,040 that because 536 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:24,110 outside a musical theatre tapes I listen to alot of rap and so I didn't expect 537 00:49:24,110 --> 00:49:28,820 that and i actually I i asked Shane Marshall brown overtime birdies office 538 00:49:28,820 --> 00:49:32,360 for a script and he sent it to me so I can I can get back into it 539 00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:39,180 reading the script I have to go see the show another ten times I loved it so 540 00:49:39,180 --> 00:49:44,320 much I I thought it was amazing and the other thing I wanted to point out to our 541 00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:50,280 listeners is that you know Lin Manuel Miranda has been working on this for a 542 00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:59,610 long time I have including in the show notes a 2009 video of Lynn at the White 543 00:49:59,610 --> 00:50:05,630 House performing a little piece from Hamilton 2009 were talking six years ago 544 00:50:05,630 --> 00:50:11,540 and he had been working on a few years already at that point I I'm just blown 545 00:50:11,540 --> 00:50:16,490 out by the production I loved it in my discussion with other folks in the 546 00:50:16,490 --> 00:50:22,420 theater community and other producers everybody celebrate everybody's afraid 547 00:50:22,420 --> 00:50:27,090 to come in with their productions because they feel like this is gonna be 548 00:50:27,090 --> 00:50:32,760 a sweep and I wonder if you know especially in maybe the supporting 549 00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:36,420 categories were gonna have multiple nominations in these people my cross 550 00:50:36,420 --> 00:50:40,630 eliminate themselves and it'll be interesting to see how the politics of 551 00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:48,760 the tony nomination process goes and if the producers the producers of Hamilton 552 00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:55,140 will hold back some people in different categories so not to have them split the 553 00:50:55,140 --> 00:51:00,040 vote per se and that but I loved it I think you know we've been saying for 554 00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,160 months everybody should get tickets and it's really hard to get tickets I think 555 00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,900 the advanced now is in the fifty million range 556 00:51:05,900 --> 00:51:13,069 you know fifty million means that you're not touch you know it's in essence sold 557 00:51:13,069 --> 00:51:16,400 out not a ticket to be had for the next year 558 00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:22,119 well you know and it's what it what a time for the Public Theater yeah I need 559 00:51:22,119 --> 00:51:27,369 to have fun home which and which just means why did they cut the budget on 560 00:51:27,369 --> 00:51:28,319 Cymbeline 561 00:51:28,319 --> 00:51:34,250 I didn't know we didn't know what a night when I guess maybe it was just 562 00:51:34,250 --> 00:51:39,010 that night but for Cymbeline there were Spanish certain search titles on screens 563 00:51:39,010 --> 00:51:42,970 on either side of the state I suppose it's only for certain performances if 564 00:51:42,970 --> 00:51:53,490 you press ASAP on your remote they go away now I so Peter will be seeing 565 00:51:53,490 --> 00:51:58,460 Hamilton next week's it will extend our conversation about Hamilton into the 566 00:51:58,460 --> 00:52:03,539 next week but last week or the week before Peter you went up to Newtown 567 00:52:03,539 --> 00:52:08,369 Connecticut to talk to see Liberty Smith sinew yes this is a musical that takes 568 00:52:08,369 --> 00:52:12,010 place in the same time period is Hamilton George Washington's character 569 00:52:12,010 --> 00:52:19,180 some steps since character and this this is of course the child with the terrible 570 00:52:19,180 --> 00:52:27,609 tragedy happened on December 14th 2012 where Adam Lanza's took the and his 571 00:52:27,609 --> 00:52:31,980 mother gave him as a present and killed her and then went to the Sandy Hook 572 00:52:31,980 --> 00:52:39,500 elementary school and executed 20 kids and six staff members so dnt kno 573 00:52:39,500 --> 00:52:44,740 Broadway producer Michael Unger a director and Jeffrey sabra musical 574 00:52:44,740 --> 00:52:49,079 director's office something had to be done and they decided to do musicals 575 00:52:49,079 --> 00:52:52,650 there each summer they do Seussical couple of years ago and I'm telling you 576 00:52:52,650 --> 00:52:58,260 lynn errands and I looked at each other during the show and shared what had to 577 00:52:58,260 --> 00:53:03,049 be at the point of tears each because really was something to watch these 20 578 00:53:03,049 --> 00:53:09,900 kids up there he no wonder what they saw as they remembered within 90 days are so 579 00:53:09,900 --> 00:53:15,010 now this was done with high school kids middle school kids in grammar school 580 00:53:15,010 --> 00:53:21,549 kids and it's a great show the kids I know that when it opened in washington a 581 00:53:21,549 --> 00:53:26,450 few years ago the reviews weren't so hot but they've done a lot of work on it a 582 00:53:26,450 --> 00:53:30,140 change the concept of the show and i think is a very smart idea it used to be 583 00:53:30,140 --> 00:53:34,289 about a guy named Liberty Smith said you now during the Revolutionary War I was 584 00:53:34,289 --> 00:53:39,270 really responsible for a lot of things well now it's a young girl in history 585 00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:44,609 class named Libby Smith who is telling the class that job after all you don't 586 00:53:44,609 --> 00:53:50,020 know this but my great-great-great grandfather was responsible for a lot of 587 00:53:50,020 --> 00:53:53,650 things in the revolutionary watch so she's essentially telling tall tales 588 00:53:53,650 --> 00:54:01,359 though we get the impression she truly believes it but for example it was he 589 00:54:01,359 --> 00:54:06,869 who is holding that kite kite when ben franklin had to take a break and he's 590 00:54:06,869 --> 00:54:10,579 the one who have that shocked talk about electricity he's the one who had the 591 00:54:10,579 --> 00:54:14,770 idea for the Boston Tea Party which is why I just follows call themselves the 592 00:54:14,770 --> 00:54:19,630 Sons of Liberty Paul Revere had a little bit too much to drink before it was to 593 00:54:19,630 --> 00:54:24,529 make his midnight ride so he had to do the driving analytic countryside the 594 00:54:24,529 --> 00:54:29,059 British economy but Paul said looked at my wife I was drunk will you and so all 595 00:54:29,059 --> 00:54:33,089 this this is what is always very fair civil very funny but it really is 596 00:54:33,089 --> 00:54:36,869 forrest gump set to music you know that's what it really is because of 597 00:54:36,869 --> 00:54:42,010 course these things truly happened but this is marvelous marvelous subplot in 598 00:54:42,010 --> 00:54:46,809 essence the deals with how difficult it was to be a woman during that period of 599 00:54:46,809 --> 00:54:52,130 time this year's Martha Dandridge Liberty loves his crazy for her she 600 00:54:52,130 --> 00:54:54,789 produces looking 601 00:54:54,789 --> 00:54:59,439 unempowered will that work but they were on the part of women and you know my 602 00:54:59,439 --> 00:55:02,809 father was gonna marry money News don't have it that's all there is to it I got 603 00:55:02,809 --> 00:55:08,339 a very many cuz I gotta be secure and and she does and eventually showed up 604 00:55:08,339 --> 00:55:12,319 marrying George Washington to celebrities is ostensibly left out in 605 00:55:12,319 --> 00:55:16,309 the cold however the most interesting characters woman named Emily Andrews too 606 00:55:16,309 --> 00:55:21,119 heavily into work works for Betsy Ross but she has the Ben Franklin has an 607 00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:26,739 apprenticeship open she wants it doesn't even remotely see a woman as a 608 00:55:26,739 --> 00:55:31,839 possibility in this role so as a result you hire somebody Smith now she likes 609 00:55:31,839 --> 00:55:37,469 him she might even be able to love Liberty Smith however he so crazy about 610 00:55:37,469 --> 00:55:44,849 that not only is is that a roadblock the point she has contempt because my mother 611 00:55:44,849 --> 00:55:51,349 is not portrayed perhaps unfairly as the brightest bulb on the tree she can only 612 00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:58,429 read little words that are far apart as mentioned in the script so so he she 613 00:55:58,429 --> 00:56:03,599 just thinks that he's just because repudiation why would that mean anything 614 00:56:03,599 --> 00:56:07,479 in fact the reason he joins Revolutionary Wars because he wants to 615 00:56:07,479 --> 00:56:12,659 impress her and she's Emily says if she loved you you would have to do anything 616 00:56:12,659 --> 00:56:19,019 at all to impress her so it's very nice they will get together under a very fine 617 00:56:19,019 --> 00:56:25,439 circumstances and all in sample use Canon zoom in and cause we do have a a 618 00:56:25,439 --> 00:56:30,869 new a new nation that comes into play here as well which is really quite good 619 00:56:30,869 --> 00:56:35,289 but I will admit to throw 620 00:56:35,289 --> 00:56:42,739 anachronism which I usually hate which I usually hate however I think this show 621 00:56:42,739 --> 00:56:46,839 gets away with it because the kids during the tail and a kid who's like in 622 00:56:46,839 --> 00:56:50,919 the eighth graders so doing this type of thing might use their criticisms 623 00:56:50,919 --> 00:56:56,479 purposely to amuse the kids in the class are just use them because it seems 624 00:56:56,479 --> 00:57:03,829 natural to her for example to dixie cups and a string you know the people 625 00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:06,430 communicating by can you hear me now 626 00:57:06,430 --> 00:57:11,440 george washington actually what points makes a speech and he says I am George 627 00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:15,849 Washington and I have approved this message things like that though this one 628 00:57:15,849 --> 00:57:18,470 i think is really really smart 629 00:57:18,470 --> 00:57:23,599 his mother suggested she try finding a worthy suitor in philadelphia liberties 630 00:57:23,599 --> 00:57:27,589 says if you can make it there you can make it anywhere now that's good because 631 00:57:27,589 --> 00:57:31,020 Philadelphia New York was the big city at that time you know so I think that's 632 00:57:31,020 --> 00:57:36,440 a very good joke so there's a lot of that but I'll tell you I was laughing 633 00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:41,300 throughout because kids doing it makes a tremendous difference I'm not sure that 634 00:57:41,300 --> 00:57:49,680 this would really fly is well done by adults is a real $162 ticket Broadway 635 00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:55,770 musical but it should be licensed and it should be done by kids because a lot of 636 00:57:55,770 --> 00:58:00,010 fun is to be had and I have to admit that when George Washington cried 637 00:58:00,010 --> 00:58:05,270 victory it almost seems like victory over Adam Lind's it's impossible to 638 00:58:05,270 --> 00:58:09,530 think about those twenty kids you could have been on that stage fact I wondered 639 00:58:09,530 --> 00:58:13,930 if the script to Libby Smith was written so it was written some time ago if 640 00:58:13,930 --> 00:58:18,589 there's an allusion to the right to be around that came up during the 641 00:58:18,589 --> 00:58:19,480 revolution 642 00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:23,650 I will say there was no mention of the Boston Massacre somehow there was a 643 00:58:23,650 --> 00:58:30,880 silence from the crowd that I think people really trying that into what has 644 00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:35,400 happened here one thing I have to say it into mission to Michael Ungar and ice 645 00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:39,880 sheet Alamo thrilled that was and that kid playing Ben Franklin you must've 646 00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:45,420 been so thrilled the moment he walked through the door and he said she was 647 00:58:45,420 --> 00:58:51,829 really great and the second act I don't but Melissa Shohei was very good at 648 00:58:51,829 --> 00:58:55,290 playing Ben Franklin really threw herself into an area right voice written 649 00:58:55,290 --> 00:59:00,349 all that so I hope this gets license because a lot of people who wanted to 650 00:59:00,349 --> 00:59:06,260 show sports Revolutionary War may not have enough boys to do 1776 in fact I 651 00:59:06,260 --> 00:59:10,240 was in Stoneham Massachusetts and start production of damn yankees with children 652 00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:15,859 and all the ball players were girls for the washington senators this it's a bit 653 00:59:15,859 --> 00:59:18,530 of a problem because I'm thinking about the Yankees 654 00:59:18,530 --> 00:59:22,610 you know so you have been a bunch of girls you should be really proud of 655 00:59:22,610 --> 00:59:28,630 yourself so so anyway this is a good when it gets you thinking about history 656 00:59:28,630 --> 00:59:33,580 about the revolutionary war it's really nice at the end when Ben Franklin 657 00:59:33,580 --> 00:59:37,650 celebrates the white red and blue only ted Ligety correctness a you now 658 00:59:37,650 --> 00:59:42,030 red-white-and-blue sounds better in those that type of show a wonderful time 659 00:59:42,030 --> 00:59:49,490 at it and I hope I see the getting again in school settings wow that's wonderful 660 00:59:49,490 --> 00:59:55,810 listeners may remember that we had been dean on the broadcast here few years 661 00:59:55,810 --> 01:00:03,450 back and I'll put a link to that too that Van Dien is Broadway producer he is 662 01:00:03,450 --> 01:00:07,230 a founder Broadway records which does cast recording sent has taken an active 663 01:00:07,230 --> 01:00:13,040 interest in supporting the Newtown area after the tragedy through the 12 14 664 01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:16,900 foundation so let's move on 665 01:00:16,900 --> 01:00:22,750 carry you wrote a an article for play bill that we want to talk about called 666 01:00:22,750 --> 01:00:29,860 career or children wife-beater parents children forced to choose and we want to 667 01:00:29,860 --> 01:00:33,880 the theater parents really are 668 01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:37,390 theater professionals who are also parents is that a good description of 669 01:00:37,390 --> 01:00:41,980 what is meant by the headline there yes or people in the theater industry who 670 01:00:41,980 --> 01:00:45,530 are thinking about being parents but don't know if they can because of the 671 01:00:45,530 --> 01:00:52,670 circumstances so give us a rundown of this article about four months of work I 672 01:00:52,670 --> 01:00:58,830 began researching collecting the interviews back in April it was just the 673 01:00:58,830 --> 01:01:02,190 results of a lot of conversations I've had with different people in the in the 674 01:01:02,190 --> 01:01:04,710 in the industry and then and women 675 01:01:04,710 --> 01:01:10,910 saying that basically unless you're very very rich it's often an either or 676 01:01:10,910 --> 01:01:18,430 situation and you can have a faithful career that you devote all your time and 677 01:01:18,430 --> 01:01:24,260 energy to or you can be apparent more women than men did speak to me for the 678 01:01:24,260 --> 01:01:28,290 article but I fully recognize and acknowledge this is an issue that 679 01:01:28,290 --> 01:01:33,940 affects both women and men but with a lot of female playwrights that I spoke 680 01:01:33,940 --> 01:01:38,830 with they said that if they want to have children they often can't go to 681 01:01:38,830 --> 01:01:43,880 different writing retreats and workshops centers in the summer because they can't 682 01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:48,070 bring their children with them and then and that can have a very negative impact 683 01:01:48,070 --> 01:01:52,400 on their work and its visibility and when you think about how many shows 684 01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:57,220 started it wonderful places like the Eugene O'Neill Theater Center it really 685 01:01:57,220 --> 01:02:02,099 is it really is affecting them so I'm hoping that the article will inspire 686 01:02:02,099 --> 01:02:06,680 similar conversations about this subject in what could what could be looked at 687 01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:12,849 again and possibly adjusted to either be more family friendly or or don't let the 688 01:02:12,849 --> 01:02:15,980 parents bring their kids with them I spoke with several people from the 689 01:02:15,980 --> 01:02:21,440 awards and Julia Jordan told me about ready nursery where parents could bring 690 01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:25,950 their children and said that it ran it was very well received and hopefully 691 01:02:25,950 --> 01:02:30,390 that will become more of the norm because male or female actor writer 692 01:02:30,390 --> 01:02:35,520 director anyone in this industry I really hope that they won't have to make 693 01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:37,420 it an either-or choice anymore it's too 694 01:02:37,420 --> 01:02:42,680 to reference the Baker's wife into the woods but it was it was a big eye-opener 695 01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:46,440 for me I don't have children myself and I learned quite a bit from talking with 696 01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:47,869 all these people and 697 01:02:47,869 --> 01:02:54,789 I have nannies and babysat and then around children a lot but hearing the 698 01:02:54,789 --> 01:02:58,700 the day-to-day impact as well as the long-term impacts was very educational 699 01:02:58,700 --> 01:03:05,720 for me and I hope that article service as an education other people as well so 700 01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:13,789 the the writer's retreat that you refer to set this space on writer farm yes 701 01:03:13,789 --> 01:03:19,309 because you're just a kid who's ur writer and we've had her on the 702 01:03:19,309 --> 01:03:25,150 broadcast here before I posted on Facebook a bunch of things from that a 703 01:03:25,150 --> 01:03:30,619 few weeks ago where she was at and she brought her kids and she talked about 704 01:03:30,619 --> 01:03:35,700 how incredible it was to be able to focus on your writing and also have 705 01:03:35,700 --> 01:03:40,599 childcare there but also be able to spend time with your children later on 706 01:03:40,599 --> 01:03:44,640 in the day when you're not in your right and you're writing seminars or in your 707 01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:45,200 writing 708 01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:54,220 chretien groups so I think that it is really a lot of it seems like there's so 709 01:03:54,220 --> 01:03:57,900 much social change happened in the last couple of years and it's all it seems to 710 01:03:57,900 --> 01:04:02,249 be all for the positive so I hope so 711 01:04:02,249 --> 01:04:05,619 one person said to me we put it off as long as we can 712 01:04:05,619 --> 01:04:12,749 yeah and and for a lot of women that is the late thirties early forties and for 713 01:04:12,749 --> 01:04:17,039 a lot of female writers that's when they're hitting their stride and and 714 01:04:17,039 --> 01:04:20,400 some people have said well why don't they just take five years a five years 715 01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,759 isn't that long of a time and then their kids will be in kindergarten but five 716 01:04:23,759 --> 01:04:27,839 years is a really long time to not be able to practice your craft whether it's 717 01:04:27,839 --> 01:04:32,940 writing acting singing that's a really long time and try to get back into the 718 01:04:32,940 --> 01:04:38,509 field after that I've been told is a big challenge all I can think of you know at 719 01:04:38,509 --> 01:04:43,009 least two people that leave immediately to mind as two examples of people who 720 01:04:43,009 --> 01:04:47,049 sort of put their careers on hold for a while in order to raise families Patti 721 01:04:47,049 --> 01:04:54,230 LuPone and Judy Kuhn and out solely to that leap to mind immediately so I think 722 01:04:54,230 --> 01:04:58,720 that you know perhaps if there had been more 723 01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:05,580 more resources as carriers discussing that we might have seen maybe more of 724 01:05:05,580 --> 01:05:10,010 those people during those periods so those are only two examples yeah we miss 725 01:05:10,010 --> 01:05:14,070 him desperately when they did that yes going back to what we said about how 726 01:05:14,070 --> 01:05:18,670 long women well spent writing Hamilton and he's been close to a decade working 727 01:05:18,670 --> 01:05:23,700 on in the heights I think if he'd take it just taken five years off where what 728 01:05:23,700 --> 01:05:24,660 Hamilton d 729 01:05:24,660 --> 01:05:31,109 exactly but I suppose it's a little a little easier for writers and actors 730 01:05:31,109 --> 01:05:36,420 because you can to some extent you can you can right at home but what they were 731 01:05:36,420 --> 01:05:40,090 telling me about his writing her treats is that's where you get the workshops 732 01:05:40,090 --> 01:05:43,580 that's where you can see your work being done and that's where producers will 733 01:05:43,580 --> 01:05:47,290 take an interest in it and if they can't go to these workshops sure you can do 734 01:05:47,290 --> 01:05:50,830 the writing but what marcia Norman said to me was you can't walk out into the 735 01:05:50,830 --> 01:05:56,550 street and march around with a stack of papers shouting I have written of people 736 01:05:56,550 --> 01:06:00,290 with money to see it as people are at those workshops and I if they can't go 737 01:06:00,290 --> 01:06:03,880 to the workshops with the point of writing a fabulous place of normalcy it 738 01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:08,220 produced it work on it we're investing the time that you put into it I have to 739 01:06:08,220 --> 01:06:14,250 also point out that on paper it's it's it's seems totally feasible to work from 740 01:06:14,250 --> 01:06:18,310 home and it just does not work 741 01:06:18,310 --> 01:06:24,380 yes I want it you know I tell you from there the business that I built I can 742 01:06:24,380 --> 01:06:29,410 pretty much work from anywhere and I worked I worked from home you got a 743 01:06:29,410 --> 01:06:35,640 little bill for that when I worked at work from home for a few years and I got 744 01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:39,530 nothing done because my children climbing on me and get children to 745 01:06:39,530 --> 01:06:43,369 totally quiet until the most important client calls you up on the phone are you 746 01:06:43,369 --> 01:06:46,930 closing a deal are you having a conference call and then the children 747 01:06:46,930 --> 01:06:51,950 and your spouse and the cats and everybody will come in we can I 748 01:06:51,950 --> 01:06:56,740 eventually you know I took an office that is 10 minutes away from my house 749 01:06:56,740 --> 01:07:00,580 just so I can go to a space to work at and you have to get away from your 750 01:07:00,580 --> 01:07:06,980 family in order to be productive in many cases a wonderful book called a hundred 751 01:07:06,980 --> 01:07:09,019 essays I don't have time to write 752 01:07:09,019 --> 01:07:15,919 are about being a working parents and the very first essay in the book has her 753 01:07:15,919 --> 01:07:20,609 top writing about being being a parent who is a writer and then a line stops 754 01:07:20,609 --> 01:07:27,729 and then animal 7 is the next line has come up to the computer and press that 755 01:07:27,729 --> 01:07:32,569 button and I spoke at great lengths to this article and several other people 756 01:07:32,569 --> 01:07:37,039 told me that they had reached out for help when they were thinking about being 757 01:07:37,039 --> 01:07:42,499 parents or had become pregnant and thought how do I do this and I'd really 758 01:07:42,499 --> 01:07:47,549 recommend reading those essays hasta crater and it was a big eye-opener for 759 01:07:47,549 --> 01:07:51,769 reading about being a writer and a parent just three and she told me when 760 01:07:51,769 --> 01:07:55,319 she was pregnant with twins she didn't know she be able to write again and I 761 01:07:55,319 --> 01:07:58,579 think that would be a great loss to the theater cerebral was already in place 762 01:07:58,579 --> 01:08:05,049 absolutely will carry this is incredible series of articles that you continue to 763 01:08:05,049 --> 01:08:09,359 do one play bill and we did this on played on clay bill so that our 764 01:08:09,359 --> 01:08:12,659 listeners can check it out for themselves and we look forward to the 765 01:08:12,659 --> 01:08:17,900 next one and you know for months of work that I hope that the next four months 766 01:08:17,900 --> 01:08:24,099 away this was worth every minute though I'm really happy to have written it all 767 01:08:24,099 --> 01:08:30,159 rights you let's wrap up for today before we go into our credits and talk 768 01:08:30,159 --> 01:08:33,289 about trivia when remind everybody that you can subscribe to be broadcast by 769 01:08:33,289 --> 01:08:36,460 going to the front page of broader video.com this is subscribe link that we 770 01:08:36,460 --> 01:08:39,179 each and every time we have a new episode of this week on broadway it'll 771 01:08:39,179 --> 01:08:42,449 be automatically downloaded iTunes few course you don't have to listen to us 772 01:08:42,449 --> 01:08:46,019 and I too many ways one of the ways assistant Europe which is an application 773 01:08:46,019 --> 01:08:51,059 for iPhone BlackBerry Android device and get a stream to you BroadwayWorld radio 774 01:08:51,059 --> 01:08:55,259 places Wednesdays at noon Thursday at 7 p.m. and Saturday 2 p.m. contact 775 01:08:55,259 --> 01:09:00,019 information true peter for Michael for Carrie and for me can be found a 776 01:09:00,019 --> 01:09:03,809 broadway radio.com as well as links to some of the things we've talked about 777 01:09:03,809 --> 01:09:10,269 today including links to roles interview on Friday btw of indians interview that 778 01:09:10,269 --> 01:09:14,569 Lin Manuel Miranda YouTube video where from 2009 779 01:09:14,569 --> 01:09:19,279 and the link to carry this article so Peter do we have an answer for last week 780 01:09:19,279 --> 01:09:25,829 a couple weeks ago trivia yeah I had asked what a tease musical in a rather 781 01:09:25,829 --> 01:09:31,089 famous one for that matter with a foreword title referenced a forties 782 01:09:31,089 --> 01:09:36,909 musical and that was a woman of the year which has a song called so what else is 783 01:09:36,909 --> 01:09:42,449 due in which Ira Gershwin's lady in the dark as pensions so as I said the first 784 01:09:42,449 --> 01:09:46,389 words were synonymous woman lady I also mention that one of the world's was 785 01:09:46,389 --> 01:09:54,159 exactly the same so the answer and by the way you can now because Sony 786 01:09:54,159 --> 01:10:00,420 masterworks Broadway is re-releasing the test how much was on the Eris delay but 787 01:10:00,420 --> 01:10:06,980 way back wins so it's pretty good score can do whatever the first to admit that 788 01:10:06,980 --> 01:10:12,480 they did as a vehicle for Lauren Bacall and it turned out rather well I mean 789 01:10:12,480 --> 01:10:17,560 they want to score Peter stolen best book because won best actress and 790 01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:23,199 Maryland Cooper real trooper for playback win who was really down and out 791 01:10:23,199 --> 01:10:30,010 here she she lived in the building next year's to see all the time and Marilyn 792 01:10:30,010 --> 01:10:36,420 was an understudy involve a year and a half before the air happens she was 793 01:10:36,420 --> 01:10:42,949 relegated to that status and and here she was suddenly have been one Scene one 794 01:10:42,949 --> 01:10:51,980 song and one Tony Award as a result so she really terrific song the grass is 795 01:10:51,980 --> 01:10:55,310 always greener so whenever she was interviewed about that she used to say 796 01:10:55,310 --> 01:10:59,270 well it is a duet you know because Lauren Bacall was certainly part of the 797 01:10:59,270 --> 01:11:04,619 number as well and a very important part two but it tends to be a case of people 798 01:11:04,619 --> 01:11:09,340 remember that song which Monday remember lauren bacall anyway this week's trivia 799 01:11:09,340 --> 01:11:11,020 question all right 800 01:11:11,020 --> 01:11:16,170 forty years of passage Chorus Line opened and a chorus line question in 801 01:11:16,170 --> 01:11:20,920 chorus line open started previews I should say the Public Theater the song 802 01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:27,070 in the playbill was called tits and ass ok fine suddenly people noticing that 803 01:11:27,070 --> 01:11:31,510 nobody was laughing at the song just really rather funny so they changed the 804 01:11:31,510 --> 01:11:38,070 title now actually they changed the title twice this title me know today 805 01:11:38,070 --> 01:11:44,250 against him looks 3 was not the first title they chose what was the first 806 01:11:44,250 --> 01:11:54,570 title they chose between tits and ass and danced and looks 34 I thought I knew 807 01:11:54,570 --> 01:12:00,720 the story but I guess not well if you do have an answer for that sent an email to 808 01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:04,910 trivia at Broadway video.com and we'll take a look at the answers that comes 809 01:12:04,910 --> 01:12:10,510 through and let you know hopefully next week if I remember so Peter just before 810 01:12:10,510 --> 01:12:16,480 we run away we had Brian Hargrove on last week to talk about it should have 811 01:12:16,480 --> 01:12:20,800 been you in the cast recording that's been released or in digital form so far 812 01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:26,310 and he talked about how great empty I was to have picked up it should have 813 01:12:26,310 --> 01:12:31,500 been you and it's sorta getting a lot of a lot of response the licensing folks at 814 01:12:31,500 --> 01:12:36,260 MTI working really hard there to get that out there which is awesome and 815 01:12:36,260 --> 01:12:41,750 which reminds me of gonna read article about that I'm glad you brought it up to 816 01:12:41,750 --> 01:12:47,420 that and I saw on that that little website playbill.com that there was an 817 01:12:47,420 --> 01:12:52,800 interview with Andrew Lippa and they are one of the things that we talked about 818 01:12:52,800 --> 01:13:00,060 with wild party at CityCenter off off-center get their cars off center 819 01:13:00,060 --> 01:13:07,510 encores off-center that wild party is licensing the original version which is 820 01:13:07,510 --> 01:13:12,390 one of the questions I said if they licensing but that andrew is actively 821 01:13:12,390 --> 01:13:18,950 trying to get this new version that he rode into into regional productions and 822 01:13:18,950 --> 01:13:20,180 is 823 01:13:20,180 --> 01:13:24,240 is talking with a bunch of people about that so if you didn't get a chance to 824 01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:29,880 see the the AQUOS production this summer was a very three or four performances 825 01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:33,660 very short perhaps we'll be able to see it around the country and I will look 826 01:13:33,660 --> 01:13:38,860 for our listeners to email us and let us know what they think about that where 827 01:13:38,860 --> 01:13:41,430 you can call us and let us know what they think about that her phone number 828 01:13:41,430 --> 01:13:50,410 is actually on our page a broader video the phone number is 888 28546 66 which 829 01:13:50,410 --> 01:13:56,280 you can leave a voicemail so on behalf of Michael port entier beautiful mission 830 01:13:56,280 --> 01:14:00,210 carry purcell this is James Moreno sink thanks so much for listening to pro 831 01:14:00,210 --> 01:14:02,300 debuts this week of Broadway by back 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,529 coming up on friday deals this week on broadway we interview Mitch Weiss who is 2 00:00:07,529 --> 00:00:11,120 the author of the book business a broadway Peter Michael in Cary join in 3 00:00:11,120 --> 00:00:14,660 for reviews helped the Public Theater's production is simply in the Broadway 4 00:00:14,660 --> 00:00:18,630 production of Hamilton Peter review the twelve fourteen foundations production 5 00:00:18,630 --> 00:00:22,289 of Liberty Smith at Newtown High School and we talked about carries article from 6 00:00:22,289 --> 00:00:27,810 playbill career or children why theater parents feel forced to choose that plus 7 00:00:27,810 --> 00:00:51,090 more please stay tuned 8 00:00:51,090 --> 00:00:57,660 shot hello and welcome to broadly videos this week on Broadway for Sunday August 9 00:00:57,660 --> 00:01:03,940 16th 2015 it's a hot one here in New York in my name is James Moreno with us 10 00:01:03,940 --> 00:01:07,800 this morning we have beautiful Asian Michael port on tiara and carry purcell 11 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,160 peter is a theater journalist and historian with a number of books his 12 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,800 most recent is the great parade which is available everywhere his column security 13 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,850 empty I creature land masterworks Broadway Broadway select in many other 14 00:01:18,850 --> 00:01:23,979 places good morning peter i hi also with this is Mike important here michael is a 15 00:01:23,979 --> 00:01:27,940 theater reviewer in essayists his work appears to talkin Broadway the tops on 16 00:01:27,940 --> 00:01:32,149 time review and Broadway stars he is also at the actual photographer whose 17 00:01:32,149 --> 00:01:35,399 photos have appeared in the New York Times in many other major publications 18 00:01:35,399 --> 00:01:38,970 you can see it's photography work at five spot photos are calm good morning 19 00:01:38,970 --> 00:01:43,729 Michael morning also with this is Carrie purcell carey is a staff writer and 20 00:01:43,729 --> 00:01:47,810 features editor playbill.com her new column a woman's world focuses on 21 00:01:47,810 --> 00:01:51,990 uncovering women's issues both on and off Broadway by highlighting successful 22 00:01:51,990 --> 00:01:56,020 women in the industry and the challenges that they have faced she can be followed 23 00:01:56,020 --> 00:02:00,410 on Twitter at play bill Carey and her blog carry purcell dot com twenty carry 24 00:02:00,410 --> 00:02:05,600 good morning with us today we have a very special guest Mitch Weiss who is 25 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:09,849 the co-author of the business of Broadway is joining us to tell us about 26 00:02:09,849 --> 00:02:15,510 what it's like to write a book that talks about the Broadway business 27 00:02:15,510 --> 00:02:20,150 the subtitle of the book is an insider's guide to working purchasing and 28 00:02:20,150 --> 00:02:24,700 investing in the world's greatest theater community I met Harry you i 29 00:02:24,700 --> 00:02:28,840 James great to talk to you all thanks for coming on I really appreciated I was 30 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:33,040 very intrigued by this book I love the process books about how to get from 31 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:38,360 point A to point B in a lot of our listeners are either students or people 32 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:43,330 that run a regional theaters and this type of information doesn't very often 33 00:02:43,330 --> 00:02:47,849 make it out there because we're so enthralled with videos of cell phone 34 00:02:47,849 --> 00:02:54,120 people plugging stuff in on stage and still the real information doesn't make 35 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:54,920 it out 36 00:02:54,920 --> 00:03:00,300 unless you come to New York and work for a producer AGM and so I wanna know 37 00:03:00,300 --> 00:03:05,700 what's your story how did you acquire all this knowledge 38 00:03:05,700 --> 00:03:16,310 well it has to do with age and being around long enough to have accumulated 39 00:03:16,310 --> 00:03:23,720 knowledge as a manager the greatest part of the job is I know what everybody 40 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,290 else's life is about 41 00:03:26,290 --> 00:03:32,040 I know when the wardrobe person has an answer was sick I know when someone's 42 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:36,690 pregnant I know someone's drunk I know if someone has a complaint against 43 00:03:36,690 --> 00:03:40,950 someone else I know what everyone's getting paid I know how they got their 44 00:03:40,950 --> 00:03:47,120 job and relatives they are every aspect of every part of the show is very 45 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:54,340 personal for me because that's how I help keep everybody working together and 46 00:03:54,340 --> 00:03:57,150 you're talking about the general manager's position in a Broadway show 47 00:03:57,150 --> 00:04:04,260 right and company managed company manage the company manager job is the day to 48 00:04:04,260 --> 00:04:10,010 day running of the show the general manager oversees the larger picture in 49 00:04:10,010 --> 00:04:14,850 the negotiations and the setting up of the shore and makes the largest 50 00:04:14,850 --> 00:04:20,130 decisions but the company manager is a TV show and therefore represents the 51 00:04:20,130 --> 00:04:26,419 producer and the general manager moment by moment basis so how did you get into 52 00:04:26,419 --> 00:04:32,490 this what was your first job in theater and in Broadway actually I started his 53 00:04:32,490 --> 00:04:39,310 musical director and composer I had a few shows produced originally but I 54 00:04:39,310 --> 00:04:45,380 wanted to learn from the best guess the auction was do I become a big fish in a 55 00:04:45,380 --> 00:04:52,389 small party or do I get to be a small fish in a big pond and I always wanted 56 00:04:52,389 --> 00:04:58,190 to work for help Prix was my dream and my first job on Broadway was the 57 00:04:58,190 --> 00:05:00,520 original Pacific overtures working 58 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:09,289 for how Prince wow I was the assistant press rep which of course is not 59 00:05:09,289 --> 00:05:15,370 something nice to be but it was my would have empty garbage can so it didn't 60 00:05:15,370 --> 00:05:21,840 matter to me and I learned a tremendous amount on that show in just a few months 61 00:05:21,840 --> 00:05:28,580 that it ran the same year as a chorus line and Chicago so it didn't have a 62 00:05:28,580 --> 00:05:32,060 chance in excuse the expression hell yeah 63 00:05:32,060 --> 00:05:42,130 voted win two Tony Awards and it didn't win drama drama drama desk no wasn't 64 00:05:42,130 --> 00:05:46,550 drunk and maybe it was best musical but that was because it was the previous 65 00:05:46,550 --> 00:05:56,159 year from a chorus line 1011 of the big awards and it was a wonderful show I 66 00:05:56,159 --> 00:06:01,650 I got to work with my first big celebrity as the system I get I got to 67 00:06:01,650 --> 00:06:09,840 ask or Elizabeth Taylor Laurie backstage an introducer to cast that was all Asian 68 00:06:09,840 --> 00:06:17,139 American South Saito and jobs for Motorola Marco I had a lot to learn so 69 00:06:17,139 --> 00:06:22,020 I'm going through your bio here and it says you've managed that's as several 70 00:06:22,020 --> 00:06:26,099 hundred Broadway and off-broadway shows including Tony award-winners the core a 71 00:06:26,099 --> 00:06:31,240 chorus line Grapes of Wrath and Beauty and the Beast so how did you get from 72 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:38,240 the system Press wrap all the way to into the company manager and GM's office 73 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:47,279 heart lock part because I was constantly introducing myself to people when 74 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:53,729 walking into people's offices after too few months some Pacific overtures I 75 00:06:53,729 --> 00:06:59,479 ended up winning producer kermit bloom gardens artists who was doing Equus and 76 00:06:59,479 --> 00:07:06,940 opening poor murderer which was not a success and I it was better than waiting 77 00:07:06,940 --> 00:07:11,159 on tables for me and I still thought I was going to end up a musical director 78 00:07:11,159 --> 00:07:13,910 in fact whereas I'm Pacific overtures 79 00:07:13,910 --> 00:07:18,470 as I played piano for some of these actors in the course who were 80 00:07:18,470 --> 00:07:23,310 auditioning for other shows and they would ask me to just cannot accompany 81 00:07:23,310 --> 00:07:30,920 them so I was keeping that you going but I was thrilled end up on their questions 82 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:36,230 and Paul murder and camera blooming garden another amazing producer you know 83 00:07:36,230 --> 00:07:43,550 having done the miracle worker and Diary of Anne Frank and of course working on 84 00:07:43,550 --> 00:07:47,850 it goes to school hallways and from there I finally figured out what's going 85 00:07:47,850 --> 00:07:53,690 on and let the next person I had to work for with joe papp and it took me a 86 00:07:53,690 --> 00:08:00,340 couple years to get there and a lot of unemployment but I eventually made it 87 00:08:00,340 --> 00:08:05,770 into the Public Theater and three and a half years and that kind of solidified 88 00:08:05,770 --> 00:08:12,940 my life as a manager thats where I was headed in that's what I was going to end 89 00:08:12,940 --> 00:08:20,980 up doing so you also have been a member of a cam since 1985 so tell our 90 00:08:20,980 --> 00:08:25,050 listeners who don't know what a pam is what it is and how that relates to 91 00:08:25,050 --> 00:08:33,700 Broadway yes and please anybody who's thinking of joining me at camp manager 92 00:08:33,700 --> 00:08:44,310 association of the actual press agents and managers wanted 18 unions on 93 00:08:44,310 --> 00:08:51,870 broadway which amazes many people there are very few industries that is so you 94 00:08:51,870 --> 00:08:58,590 know he's but then again there are still unscrupulous people out there who would 95 00:08:58,590 --> 00:09:05,780 find a way not to pay people were on broadway if they could hold unions help 96 00:09:05,780 --> 00:09:11,870 make sure that happens he'll make sure we get pensions and health care it's not 97 00:09:11,870 --> 00:09:18,970 so much that we get paid that much it's just the benefits and the security so I 98 00:09:18,970 --> 00:09:25,379 i very much and union guy 99 00:09:25,379 --> 00:09:32,919 job of manager really is one that requires an apprenticeship for a couple 100 00:09:32,919 --> 00:09:37,720 years under another manager and then you have to take a written and oral test 101 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:41,759 very much are going to law school because it's your job to make sure you 102 00:09:41,759 --> 00:09:46,709 producer and general manager don't get caught in penalties and make big 103 00:09:46,709 --> 00:09:51,299 financial mistakes on the show and the best part of the job after James this is 104 00:09:51,299 --> 00:09:57,569 so much fun you do it $15,000,000 musical you get to spend all fifteen 105 00:09:57,569 --> 00:10:09,589 weeks it's your job yes and it cost $150,000 well you may not be the one 106 00:10:09,589 --> 00:10:14,939 making the ultimate decision but in general you're the one who's giving them 107 00:10:14,939 --> 00:10:22,349 are injured fifty thousand build a costume it's cool I'll of course I 108 00:10:22,349 --> 00:10:27,919 workout 1985 my first show having joined the Union by then having gone through 109 00:10:27,919 --> 00:10:32,929 the apprentice program but for sure was a chorus line and it was already running 110 00:10:32,929 --> 00:10:40,100 of course but it was handed ever everyone to show everyone is excited to 111 00:10:40,100 --> 00:10:41,539 be working on it 112 00:10:41,539 --> 00:10:47,220 everyone was nice to each other there was money to lure to pay for problems 113 00:10:47,220 --> 00:10:53,199 joe papp and Michael Bennet care about the show tremendously so you could get 114 00:10:53,199 --> 00:10:58,289 things done quickly and you can learn from it it was the best less than the 115 00:10:58,289 --> 00:11:00,369 best job I've ever had 116 00:11:00,369 --> 00:11:04,879 that's awesome so you've taken all these these experiences you've had through the 117 00:11:04,879 --> 00:11:10,299 years and turn them into this this book the business of Broadway so what 118 00:11:10,299 --> 00:11:18,259 inspired you to write this book I will tell you two things to very specific 119 00:11:18,259 --> 00:11:24,659 things managers and press agents talked about this all the time and we say to 120 00:11:24,659 --> 00:11:31,389 each other if one more producer walks up to Austin says hey I've got a few when 121 00:11:31,389 --> 00:11:36,220 you see why do we check out a full page and Sunday noon 122 00:11:36,220 --> 00:11:44,430 York Times any idea how much that costs and they look at you blank you said but 123 00:11:44,430 --> 00:11:50,410 you're in charge of Lake stupid decisions you ought to know that 124 00:11:50,410 --> 00:11:56,860 currently it's over $60,000 for one time one page and it used to be 125 00:11:56,860 --> 00:12:05,290 $140,000 when paper newspapers actually existed end date and you don't even have 126 00:12:05,290 --> 00:12:07,000 that much in the bank 127 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:16,340 you want to go forum people about this information before they make decisions 128 00:12:16,340 --> 00:12:21,670 and that was the impetus number one these investors who don't you can go 129 00:12:21,670 --> 00:12:29,820 with a general manager is supposed to do and the general and the producers who 130 00:12:29,820 --> 00:12:35,330 think you know I ran a very successful dry cleaning business I can do the same 131 00:12:35,330 --> 00:12:36,840 thing in theater 132 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:43,790 well yeah but I don't know how it works so well known about why there are two 133 00:12:43,790 --> 00:12:48,550 sets of stagehands on every show and why that makes sense as opposed to getting 134 00:12:48,550 --> 00:12:55,230 angry at it and why do musicians are paid by the theater and not by the 135 00:12:55,230 --> 00:13:01,410 producer and why this caused this amount why that caused that about and why you 136 00:13:01,410 --> 00:13:05,700 shouldn't waste your marketing money on this versus that trying to put it all in 137 00:13:05,700 --> 00:13:13,890 one book but number two i teach guests each various colleges and the arts 138 00:13:13,890 --> 00:13:18,460 administration programs these tuning student not know that they can work on 139 00:13:18,460 --> 00:13:25,110 broadway even if they're not an actor there are all of these jobs on every 140 00:13:25,110 --> 00:13:35,000 show you know I big musicals I hire 200 different positions and so how many of 141 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:39,250 them can be actors or directors or playwrights 142 00:13:39,250 --> 00:13:44,690 a lot of jobs and you can be part of this exciting place and you can bring it 143 00:13:44,690 --> 00:13:48,490 back to your regional theater is opposed to always being in 144 00:13:48,490 --> 00:13:54,279 the red in your nonprofit regional theater you can learn about ways to earn 145 00:13:54,279 --> 00:14:01,140 a buck and you knew cedar and still have the freedom of going back to your 146 00:14:01,140 --> 00:14:04,820 regional theater there's a lot to learn this way and I'm trying to encourage 147 00:14:04,820 --> 00:14:09,040 people to do it so I missed all the jobs how much money you make how you get two 148 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:14,399 jobs who you write to and trying to encourage people to join us 149 00:14:14,399 --> 00:14:20,420 so you've created a bloop a blueprint for her Broadway success which is 150 00:14:20,420 --> 00:14:26,190 incredibly awesome you might be the one person who can answer this question 151 00:14:26,190 --> 00:14:30,700 better than anybody else we've ever talked to on Broadway video is there any 152 00:14:30,700 --> 00:14:36,330 way to you know you brought the extremely valid point you've hired two 153 00:14:36,330 --> 00:14:40,950 hundred some-odd people for show is there any way to get control over prices 154 00:14:40,950 --> 00:14:45,720 have theater tickets if you have if you had the magic bullet is there any way to 155 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:51,570 do it I mean I know that it when you're paying 200 people a living wage you know 156 00:14:51,570 --> 00:14:55,540 it's expensive and so you're running costs might be the four five six hundred 157 00:14:55,540 --> 00:14:59,250 thousand dollars a week that we hear reported on running costs for some 158 00:14:59,250 --> 00:15:06,089 smaller show is so what do you think I i dont wanna make a blanket statement 159 00:15:06,089 --> 00:15:14,560 chart I'm going to make a black or a hit show all they have to do is drop the 160 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:19,700 prices there's plenty of money for a show that is suffering its going to 161 00:15:19,700 --> 00:15:24,820 close anyway and even though you wanted to run as long as possible through the 162 00:15:24,820 --> 00:15:31,089 salaries and you know joy will just not a big hit you want to give it a chance 163 00:15:31,089 --> 00:15:37,230 but the truth is green is everywhere and it is not the fault of the stage change 164 00:15:37,230 --> 00:15:42,630 northern musicians they make a living wage and that's it they're just a lot of 165 00:15:42,630 --> 00:15:51,709 people I think regarding Union salaries a lighting an electrician once told me 166 00:15:51,709 --> 00:15:58,180 if you don't tell me that you need to sink the Titanic every night on stage 167 00:15:58,180 --> 00:16:00,400 you don't have to hire is 168 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:08,730 many of us you can just have a set that looks great but isn't intricate and 169 00:16:08,730 --> 00:16:14,150 troublesome and therefore we will only ask you to hired the fewest number of 170 00:16:14,150 --> 00:16:20,010 stagehands needed but it did producer in the general manager come to us and say I 171 00:16:20,010 --> 00:16:23,550 need four thousand things to happen 172 00:16:23,550 --> 00:16:27,420 same moment we're gonna tell you how many people it takes to make that work 173 00:16:27,420 --> 00:16:31,560 eight times a week and that's what it's going to cost you the money so either 174 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:35,870 you followed the Disney he passed the Cameron Mackintosh Braun in which you 175 00:16:35,870 --> 00:16:42,340 have to lift an entire sunset boulevard set up into the air so that you can do a 176 00:16:42,340 --> 00:16:46,890 scene underneath it or you don't and that's where the costs are it's it's 177 00:16:46,890 --> 00:16:52,870 wonderful to see magic on stage don't get me wrong but it is about to planning 178 00:16:52,870 --> 00:16:58,460 and the design that determines what the costs are there are simple shows on 179 00:16:58,460 --> 00:17:04,200 Broadway that charge as much as the intricate shoves without reason except 180 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:12,560 you read what else to tell you it's a horror to me the problem with premium 181 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:14,180 pricing which is great 182 00:17:14,180 --> 00:17:19,350 believe me as a manager I want as much money for my producer and gestures as 183 00:17:19,350 --> 00:17:26,240 possible but just a kid there are people willing to spend $450 a seat to see Book 184 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:32,200 of Mormon is outrageous what they're willing and it's very hard to drop 185 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:37,190 prices if there are people out there perhaps the 1 percenters perhaps not 186 00:17:37,190 --> 00:17:44,200 they're willing to spend that money how do we convince people to not buy those 187 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,090 tickets I don't know how to do that 188 00:17:47,090 --> 00:17:53,040 yeah it's you know really something you bring up sunset boulevard it's exactly 189 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:59,040 what I thought of immediately you know did we need to lift the house so Joe 190 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:03,810 Gillis could walk underneath it and sing half of the song and things like that 191 00:18:03,810 --> 00:18:08,960 so maybe the spectacle of it all added to it but certainly you know when you 192 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:12,470 have shows with two hundred some-odd people in it and they're expensive and 193 00:18:12,470 --> 00:18:15,650 people have to make a living in its expensive to live in New York in and 194 00:18:15,650 --> 00:18:22,120 around New York so these things happen very few people go home with enough more 195 00:18:22,120 --> 00:18:27,490 than enough money to just pay their rent it's very few rich people coming out of 196 00:18:27,490 --> 00:18:32,570 these shows except in some cases the investors and and good for them I'm not 197 00:18:32,570 --> 00:18:38,770 against that not the workers there are very few people that I would argue with 198 00:18:38,770 --> 00:18:47,320 their salary so tell us about you know the book you're walking through it it's 199 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:52,610 it's it's very nicely broken down it's too easily understandable categories and 200 00:18:52,610 --> 00:18:56,030 so I encourage we have lots of students said listen to this 201 00:18:56,030 --> 00:19:01,740 listen to this broadcast so if you are somebody who wants to understand you 202 00:19:01,740 --> 00:19:09,490 know what a BRC does he know what is a wardrobe manager do what does what is a 203 00:19:09,490 --> 00:19:12,430 sound person to what is a lighting designer do you know other than the 204 00:19:12,430 --> 00:19:16,980 actor director and choreographer that everybody seems to have a good grasp on 205 00:19:16,980 --> 00:19:21,810 the rest of it as a big mystery to it and so I encourage people to pick up the 206 00:19:21,810 --> 00:19:28,250 book and get it so can they get this drama book shop on Amazon and Barnes and 207 00:19:28,250 --> 00:19:34,280 noble.com where can they get it is sitting drama bookshop it is on Amazon 208 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:40,890 Barnes and Noble eject the NYU bookstore hopefully we're going to get some other 209 00:19:40,890 --> 00:19:47,830 university university is to use it as a text book for some practical resource 210 00:19:47,830 --> 00:19:53,980 but we'll see if that happens the book just came out and you know as they said 211 00:19:53,980 --> 00:20:02,450 my hope is that it encourages people to invest and to work on broadway yes there 212 00:20:02,450 --> 00:20:08,700 are only so many jobs but you know people who love pets or know how you 213 00:20:08,700 --> 00:20:14,330 like training them or or raising dogs we really have one 214 00:20:14,330 --> 00:20:20,309 phenomenal dog trainer on broadway bill baloney there's room for more if you 215 00:20:20,309 --> 00:20:27,059 like children we have people backstage who wranglers in their part of the Union 216 00:20:27,059 --> 00:20:31,399 we have you like designing here you'd only have you don't only have to be a 217 00:20:31,399 --> 00:20:36,159 hairdresser there on every show for designing weeks we have them on every 218 00:20:36,159 --> 00:20:43,409 show it's it's there's a lot of choices and you're not gonna get filthy rich 219 00:20:43,409 --> 00:20:48,000 this way but you do make a living said Roger Berlin says the best way to make a 220 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:55,830 million dollars on Broadway's to start with ten million yeah it's also very 221 00:20:55,830 --> 00:21:00,510 said you we all go into this business thinking there's a chance you're gonna 222 00:21:00,510 --> 00:21:10,510 make a lot of money but not that's not our impetus unfortunate we arts me to be 223 00:21:10,510 --> 00:21:18,360 subsidized even with Broadway being making a million she reaches a billion 3 224 00:21:18,360 --> 00:21:26,850 I'm sorry this year it's still a variety of tourists it's it's not enough to make 225 00:21:26,850 --> 00:21:30,000 anybody on the show go home 226 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:35,750 rich well you know you worked at the at the public Joseph path in Chino you 227 00:21:35,750 --> 00:21:38,590 don't make a lot of money putting on free parking free shows in central park 228 00:21:38,590 --> 00:21:45,419 so we have to have people out there that come to support it so outside your book 229 00:21:45,419 --> 00:21:51,179 you have a website just learned something that also is this a complement 230 00:21:51,179 --> 00:21:55,760 to the Booker what is just learned something important states just loan 231 00:21:55,760 --> 00:22:04,490 structuring . us' yes ok I dot com dot net their excerpts from the book on 232 00:22:04,490 --> 00:22:09,940 there there's a way to make comments and have a discussion with the authors we 233 00:22:09,940 --> 00:22:11,840 are gonna post 234 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:18,470 future discussions and updates occurs you know every dream on some union is 235 00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:24,320 renegotiating its prices and the book you know that we put out has the prices 236 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:25,270 as of 237 00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:33,980 so we and updated on there are also hoping to start a few classes you know 238 00:22:33,980 --> 00:22:41,100 outside of regular school next to no money to just help people learn the 239 00:22:41,100 --> 00:22:46,780 practical side of the field and to see if this is where they want to spend 240 00:22:46,780 --> 00:22:53,110 their life I've also worked in regional theaters and not we are certainly not 241 00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:58,690 profits which by the way are are allowed to make profit on Google walk if you're 242 00:22:58,690 --> 00:23:04,690 not allowed to give it to investors Broadway has a whole bunch of not for 243 00:23:04,690 --> 00:23:09,410 profit theaters that some of which shouldn't be a not for profit but that's 244 00:23:09,410 --> 00:23:11,690 another story 245 00:23:11,690 --> 00:23:19,340 you are you working Nashville Omaha and still hoping we get something not just 246 00:23:19,340 --> 00:23:23,980 from the book but also by just signing up to be part of the discussion on just 247 00:23:23,980 --> 00:23:26,930 learned something that you less 248 00:23:26,930 --> 00:23:30,900 alright well thank you so much for joining us telling us about the book it 249 00:23:30,900 --> 00:23:34,520 is the business abroad way which is available at Amazon Barnes and Noble 250 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:39,070 stabbing the drama book shopping get it there too and also stop by just learned 251 00:23:39,070 --> 00:23:42,950 something that you asked to join the conversation 252 00:23:42,950 --> 00:24:07,170 thank you so much for coming on this 253 00:24:07,170 --> 00:24:14,910 gonna talk about it and Cary and Michael have seen it and we have to have a 254 00:24:14,910 --> 00:24:20,140 discussion about the name of the show because it is it simply simple line 255 00:24:20,140 --> 00:24:28,740 symbol so what's your take on simply well back in 1961 there was a marvelous 256 00:24:28,740 --> 00:24:34,090 musical call keen about Edmund Kean the famous Shakespearean actor of the 19th 257 00:24:34,090 --> 00:24:38,430 century and it opened with the merchandise guy thought there was 258 00:24:38,430 --> 00:24:43,630 something new in the theater but no actually here he is selling pictures of 259 00:24:43,630 --> 00:24:48,230 Edmund Kean some of them are in color and some of the room black and white and 260 00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:54,700 you pay any plane one and top tennis for the colored one so anyway he talks about 261 00:24:54,700 --> 00:25:01,850 the you just pictures of Edmund Kean in hamlet near in Cymbeline so I've always 262 00:25:01,850 --> 00:25:07,060 said simply but Michael but did you say i've i've always said Cymbeline to but 263 00:25:07,060 --> 00:25:15,410 then somebody corrected me and said symbol I looked it up and from what I 264 00:25:15,410 --> 00:25:21,340 found it simple in so I guess we can take a pic we should ask Christian Borle 265 00:25:21,340 --> 00:25:27,220 carry you want to weigh in here 266 00:25:27,220 --> 00:25:31,040 anything I don't think I can come up with any other pronunciations I think 267 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:36,620 you guys have covered the mall I think the Q is silence so let's skip the 268 00:25:36,620 --> 00:25:40,640 pronunciation and we'll go with that show in the park 269 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:46,790 Peter give us your view on that what do you think so beautiful word isn't it I 270 00:25:46,790 --> 00:25:51,090 think it's quite a thing anyway 271 00:25:51,090 --> 00:25:59,180 symbol means a king but frankly is what makes a lot of decisions here and while 272 00:25:59,180 --> 00:26:03,750 the decision she makes is that her son from a previous marriage is going to 273 00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:09,100 marry his daughter now it's she thinks that they'd make such a cute couple 274 00:26:09,100 --> 00:26:13,470 together just in those days were talking now mean a deal that's a long time ago 275 00:26:13,470 --> 00:26:20,610 that in those days if a man married a princess when the king died 276 00:26:20,610 --> 00:26:26,429 he became King so that's what she really wants that's what's going on here so of 277 00:26:26,429 --> 00:26:31,880 course the daughter Imogen has a boyfriend herself posture misses his 278 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:39,059 name and the Queen wishes he was outside because she wants to kill him so it's 279 00:26:39,059 --> 00:26:44,020 this is considered to be a number of Shakespeare's greatest penalty can tell 280 00:26:44,020 --> 00:26:47,630 from this production Dan Sullivan I guess nobody told him that it was second 281 00:26:47,630 --> 00:26:52,900 to shakespeare they really make it entertaining classic now the thing is it 282 00:26:52,900 --> 00:27:01,270 is 300 questionable setlist longtime friend of any drama though the delicate 283 00:27:01,270 --> 00:27:05,870 on a pleasant evening not necessarily tonight but pleasant evening you're 284 00:27:05,870 --> 00:27:11,080 trying to get a little faster than it might so so it's a very good production 285 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:20,799 I think and certainly Patrick page is is the king of but the thing is I wonder if 286 00:27:20,799 --> 00:27:26,790 the budget is a little tight at the Shakespeare Festival because what we're 287 00:27:26,790 --> 00:27:32,799 dealing with here is nine people this is this the most modest production I can 288 00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:37,330 never call in terms of cats eyes at the delicate and then go about forty years 289 00:27:37,330 --> 00:27:44,530 but there's a lot of doubling and the wonderful thing about it is you might 290 00:27:44,530 --> 00:27:49,770 not even realize that especially with who plays prosecutors the romantic lead 291 00:27:49,770 --> 00:27:58,110 and and yet please close the son of the queen whose is a real downward and I 292 00:27:58,110 --> 00:27:59,130 think a lot of people 293 00:27:59,130 --> 00:28:05,260 prize draws say reactors abuse especially good at the at the doubling 294 00:28:05,260 --> 00:28:11,299 well anyway posthumous brags that his girlfriend loves him and and would never 295 00:28:11,299 --> 00:28:17,500 cheat on him but he says this at a bar where all the spices character 296 00:28:17,500 --> 00:28:24,370 ya como and notice yakimova almost kissed same yago I mean they're very 297 00:28:24,370 --> 00:28:32,440 similar in the sense that the evil people so rivals character says all into 298 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:37,860 bed and that leads into a lot of complications that cause everybody a lot 299 00:28:37,860 --> 00:28:44,530 of concern and a lot of problems will hear a by the way is his image and she 300 00:28:44,530 --> 00:28:53,290 does a lovely job just a lovely job and Patrick page has a voice that makes a 301 00:28:53,290 --> 00:28:59,810 bedroom voice that makes Barry White's seem like Minnie mouses ate too and 302 00:28:59,810 --> 00:29:03,280 really caperton is terrific 303 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:08,660 not only is the queen looking like she stepped out of a net drawing but also 304 00:29:08,660 --> 00:29:15,240 playing pool areas a guy and it'll take a while before some people realize that 305 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:20,270 this is Kate Burton so this is more than a case of you get what you pay for it 306 00:29:20,270 --> 00:29:25,870 because you really get a lot of this production not just time but a terrific 307 00:29:25,870 --> 00:29:30,090 tour de force in terms of people doubling but I hope it's because the 308 00:29:30,090 --> 00:29:35,650 director said all we can do it this way rather than the fact that Oscar Eustace 309 00:29:35,650 --> 00:29:37,270 said to him 310 00:29:37,270 --> 00:29:42,410 day and we can only afford nine people so I'm smart fact so that's my take on 311 00:29:42,410 --> 00:29:46,770 Cymbeline I've never known the Public Theater to shy away from a budget 312 00:29:46,770 --> 00:29:57,250 yeah well I'm so sorry so readers readers listeners emailed me and asked 313 00:29:57,250 --> 00:30:01,340 why we took so long to review this and we want to point out that although it 314 00:30:01,340 --> 00:30:05,650 opened on that the 23rd it they started product it started performances on the 315 00:30:05,650 --> 00:30:09,220 23rd of July and they go through the 23rd of August which is only a week away 316 00:30:09,220 --> 00:30:15,220 their official opening night was only this week I think it was they take a 317 00:30:15,220 --> 00:30:19,030 long time before they bring people in and you might wanna listen to our 318 00:30:19,030 --> 00:30:23,150 previous episode with Raul Esparza on any talks about the rehearsal process 319 00:30:23,150 --> 00:30:26,230 for the second show in the park which is 320 00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:29,700 truncated above the first show seems like the first show has the luxury of 321 00:30:29,700 --> 00:30:34,650 time but the second show is a little bit rushed so Michael what is your take on 322 00:30:34,650 --> 00:30:40,390 this show will I noticed the doubling as soon as I open the program which I don't 323 00:30:40,390 --> 00:30:44,150 always do before him but this time I didn't get it surprised me just reading 324 00:30:44,150 --> 00:30:48,500 in the program there it is worth mentioning that this show has a live 325 00:30:48,500 --> 00:30:55,370 orchestra but it's only for people of people so I guess maybe some of the 326 00:30:55,370 --> 00:30:59,929 budget went to that and by the way they're playing some really great music 327 00:30:59,929 --> 00:31:06,580 by Tom KITT I would say there were three or four songs in the show and one of 328 00:31:06,580 --> 00:31:11,130 them was really really really beautiful it's a duet that happens 329 00:31:11,130 --> 00:31:18,270 towards the end a duet between David and Jacob many trench did you guys notice 330 00:31:18,270 --> 00:31:19,790 that song 331 00:31:19,790 --> 00:31:26,640 yeah yeah I mean I I thought it was really beautiful so I thought in the 332 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:33,390 case of a posthumous Leonidas and clot and whatever is being doubled I I kind 333 00:31:33,390 --> 00:31:39,030 of assumed that was a definite artistic decision and and spurred on by the fact 334 00:31:39,030 --> 00:31:42,410 that the two characters and have her on stage at the same time and it's 335 00:31:42,410 --> 00:31:48,040 interesting because one is the the person whom the princess is truly in 336 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:53,010 love with posthumously in artists and the other one is is her unwanted suitor 337 00:31:53,010 --> 00:31:58,809 and Hamish Linklater is Peter mention he's so good it the two different voices 338 00:31:58,809 --> 00:32:04,559 that he did and and that ridiculous week he used for for Clottey is really 339 00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:10,020 something I I had it sting action though he clotting displayed as a real dollar 340 00:32:10,020 --> 00:32:16,080 and and and and really vulgar and kind of stupid and and he's that's his 341 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:20,929 traditional role but but he was so delightful as played by him is linklater 342 00:32:20,929 --> 00:32:28,299 that when he meets his end rather abruptly I i felt really bad from you 343 00:32:28,299 --> 00:32:32,050 know and especially the way that he meets his end 344 00:32:32,050 --> 00:32:36,150 kind of barbaric said that's that's interesting but you know that's always 345 00:32:36,150 --> 00:32:41,570 been one of the best things about shakespeare that we see the humanity and 346 00:32:41,570 --> 00:32:47,910 some of the the less reputable characters I as far as Kate Burton I 347 00:32:47,910 --> 00:32:52,540 thought she was fantastic and also it was interesting to me that the role was 348 00:32:52,540 --> 00:32:58,510 played so differently from Felicia receive shots conception of the role of 349 00:32:58,510 --> 00:33:03,170 several years ago at Lincoln Center that it might almost have been a different 350 00:33:03,170 --> 00:33:08,310 well a different role a different player now obviously a lot of this is due the 351 00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:13,860 director but how interesting that that such polar opposite poor trails can be 352 00:33:13,860 --> 00:33:20,010 so effective and I thought everyone was was created role at that it was one of 353 00:33:20,010 --> 00:33:26,500 his best roles ever I did feel I was not bored or for a second I thought it was 354 00:33:26,500 --> 00:33:31,230 incredibly entertaining I thought that uses the sort of play within a play 355 00:33:31,230 --> 00:33:38,410 concept was not terribly consistent throughout the show and I also am not 356 00:33:38,410 --> 00:33:42,360 sure that it helped to have such wildly different styles of presentation for 357 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:47,330 certain scenes for example when roll comes out he sings a song that was 358 00:33:47,330 --> 00:33:53,540 written exactly as a Vegas lounge act and it was the audience loved it he 359 00:33:53,540 --> 00:33:58,640 sounded great fantastic but nothing else in the show is like that and it did 360 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:05,400 kinda just seemed like as fair as 57 from style to style I i suppose Dan 361 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:12,490 Sullivan who is a great director did it because it recognizing the the fact that 362 00:34:12,490 --> 00:34:17,190 I guess this would be called a problem play is that what they call the wasn't 363 00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:25,040 very good but not very good but also what wonderful moments really there was 364 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:32,460 one line that struck me as I I literally went home she says something imogene 365 00:34:32,460 --> 00:34:40,050 says so much about to hand her a note and she fears that it has bad news about 366 00:34:40,050 --> 00:34:43,100 posthumously in Addison she says 367 00:34:43,100 --> 00:34:52,930 why tender me so on tender a message and I see that's really beautiful will so 368 00:34:52,930 --> 00:35:00,730 good for him and and it's it's so great to see it in the park as always and and 369 00:35:00,730 --> 00:35:05,110 with all of the with all the trappings of that and you get to see a lot of the 370 00:35:05,110 --> 00:35:08,660 foliage back at this stage in this production which you did not in the last 371 00:35:08,660 --> 00:35:13,540 one and really a very very very strong cast across the board I completely agree 372 00:35:13,540 --> 00:35:18,460 about Patrick page David far I haven't seen in awhile was great to see him back 373 00:35:18,460 --> 00:35:23,200 again and Willie rabe that voice she also has such a distinctive voice that 374 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:28,790 she uses so so well to her advantage so I really I think they deserve a lot of 375 00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:34,650 applause for this one and I didn't see this production but I was over at the 376 00:35:34,650 --> 00:35:42,310 the public's website looking at this and what a good-looking cast no yeah so 377 00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:47,460 carry what's your take on this I thought the use of the actors doubling up was to 378 00:35:47,460 --> 00:35:52,000 go with the play within a play concept I didn't it didn't occur to me that they 379 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,520 have cut back on the budget I thought it just tied in with how they had the the 380 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,250 crates and boxes on the sides of the stage with the names of other players on 381 00:35:59,250 --> 00:36:04,670 them and with everyone sitting back and watching it and I do think that claim 382 00:36:04,670 --> 00:36:10,070 the two roles was a great idea because he got to show off his incredible talent 383 00:36:10,070 --> 00:36:16,010 in both both types of characters I'm sure I'm sure right that that was part 384 00:36:16,010 --> 00:36:22,700 of that concept I i this was a problem play for me because it keeping in mind 385 00:36:22,700 --> 00:36:27,120 when it was written I really struggle with the idea of a woman's privacy being 386 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:31,620 violated the way it was also just so much discussion and violence and even 387 00:36:31,620 --> 00:36:36,340 death due to the idea of someone's chastity so I found myself despite an 388 00:36:36,340 --> 00:36:40,290 incredible cast a beautiful setting and I had the good fortune to be there in a 389 00:36:40,290 --> 00:36:44,870 beautiful night with great weather for myself rolling my eyes a few times and a 390 00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:49,680 friend of mine who directed the play at his college was watching me to see how 391 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,790 it's going to lose my cool 392 00:36:51,790 --> 00:36:56,830 I think the cast was fantastic I would listen to Patrick page read the phone 393 00:36:56,830 --> 00:37:01,320 book and I'm thrilled absolutely thrilled he's going to be in the revival 394 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,220 Spring Awakening I think that's a great role for him and I'm excited to see him 395 00:37:05,220 --> 00:37:10,580 on broadway again and I i love watching Lily rabe do shakespeare I think that 396 00:37:10,580 --> 00:37:15,030 she brings so much strength to her characters just the way she delivers her 397 00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:20,700 lines the way she stands by her presence on stages is really inspiring to me and 398 00:37:20,700 --> 00:37:26,230 I think that she she finds depth and characters that might not be found with 399 00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:30,390 in the hands of a less experienced actress I would love to just listen to 400 00:37:30,390 --> 00:37:36,360 her and him as shit dinner in talk even a stage in real life they probably just 401 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,670 have the most brilliant poetic conversations probably and i ended 402 00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:47,880 contender I think we all like to think that yes that's sure I was a kid I did 403 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:55,110 find myself kind of noticing all these other shakespearean plays and I know if 404 00:37:55,110 --> 00:37:57,830 they were referenced her just coincidence that the idea of the 405 00:37:57,830 --> 00:38:03,630 sleeping potion the idea of the woman dressing as a man the there are many 406 00:38:03,630 --> 00:38:09,750 plays going to in my opinion in detail about whether or not a woman is faithful 407 00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:13,800 to her lover but felt like Shakespeare's greatest hits 408 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:18,730 mashed together this one is not it in those terms this one isn't nearly as bad 409 00:38:18,730 --> 00:38:25,460 as much do I know that is the worst you know because it is case at least it's 410 00:38:25,460 --> 00:38:30,380 just it's like confined to posthumously and others who think she's been 411 00:38:30,380 --> 00:38:34,680 unfaithful and it's not like the whole town is condemning Aaron it's a 412 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:41,750 testament to Willie and his skill that i truly did enjoy watching much ado about 413 00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:50,090 nothing even well thinking and not so cool it's a real education for a 21st 414 00:38:50,090 --> 00:38:55,310 century woman to be watching these plays and and seen in the hands of great 415 00:38:55,310 --> 00:38:58,740 actors wow this actually did happen 416 00:38:58,740 --> 00:39:03,619 and this was entertainment back then but you know what somebody said to me when 417 00:39:03,619 --> 00:39:08,369 we were watching and this is true and we kind of I write this together it's it 418 00:39:08,369 --> 00:39:15,040 may be that the women are the object of of the that the scorned but it's the men 419 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:23,250 who are always in the wrong i mean try to think of a of a loved her character 420 00:39:23,250 --> 00:39:29,670 in shakespeare who is a female lover character who is not why is in and and 421 00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:36,090 good and not prone to all of those these horrible fits of jealousy and and going 422 00:39:36,090 --> 00:39:38,560 off on type tirades 423 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:42,390 I you know I can really think it's always the guys I have always said 424 00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:45,380 Juliette is two years ahead of Romeo 425 00:39:45,380 --> 00:39:50,210 her practical skill and the fact that she makes fun of him the first time that 426 00:39:50,210 --> 00:39:57,410 he tries to woo her she doesn't go pray now that's well it's so nice but not the 427 00:39:57,410 --> 00:40:04,260 way you talking about so I like and I loved the central Lubbock area lady am 428 00:40:04,260 --> 00:40:11,070 to you know she's nuts but but the six-part 30 she's a tough but that's 429 00:40:11,070 --> 00:40:25,250 another story to ok McCarron to talk about this a few years ago so I carry a 430 00:40:25,250 --> 00:40:33,630 surprise that symbol mean that was produced back and 1,600 Circo 431 00:40:33,630 --> 00:40:39,700 that would surprise you that the the attitudes that were shown there are very 432 00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:46,710 similar to the attitudes of the nineteen eighties nineties in 2000 so I'm not 433 00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:53,259 really shocked by that but let's jump back into the seventeen hundreds and 434 00:40:53,259 --> 00:40:58,660 where there's there's some little off-broadway show that has made it to 435 00:40:58,660 --> 00:41:02,259 the great white way I don't know if anybody's heard of it called Hamilton or 436 00:41:02,259 --> 00:41:09,720 something like we should work on the pronunciation of that one and Michael 437 00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:13,549 carrying I have seen it peter is going to see it this weekend he'll talk about 438 00:41:13,549 --> 00:41:21,329 it next week but I carry one with Hamilton how much time it we got it it's 439 00:41:21,329 --> 00:41:27,619 so exciting to have seen this show and its development going for a for a way to 440 00:41:27,619 --> 00:41:34,430 Broadway and seeing what how it really does present form of musical theatre and 441 00:41:34,430 --> 00:41:40,490 and storytelling and I think a truly unique a new way and I think that it's 442 00:41:40,490 --> 00:41:44,980 it's fantastic it's got a diverse cast that the founding fathers are all played 443 00:41:44,980 --> 00:41:51,220 by men who are not white and that the three sisters are played by women of 444 00:41:51,220 --> 00:41:55,430 different backgrounds I think that the variety of music in the show is 445 00:41:55,430 --> 00:42:01,880 absolutely stunning the storytelling told through rap is it there's so much 446 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:06,059 information packs into every line I'm just in awe of lemon Miranda for writing 447 00:42:06,059 --> 00:42:11,170 this and being able to take this 700 page book and all this history in all 448 00:42:11,170 --> 00:42:15,769 this detail is incredibly intimate detail about this man's life and put it 449 00:42:15,769 --> 00:42:19,339 into these reasons that I have not been able to get out of my head since seen it 450 00:42:19,339 --> 00:42:25,039 and i also have a really deep appreciation for how he presented the 451 00:42:25,039 --> 00:42:30,720 the women and Hamilton's life as these truly in my opinion detailed fleshed out 452 00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:34,079 four characters and he he 453 00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:38,220 the story ended with Hamilton's why star stage and Hamilton standing behind her 454 00:42:38,220 --> 00:42:40,200 and her talking about what she did 455 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:45,190 spoiler alert after he dies and I have so much appreciation for presenting 456 00:42:45,190 --> 00:42:46,500 their marriage and their 457 00:42:46,500 --> 00:42:52,600 only and is not only being about the man and the choreography is outstanding and 458 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:57,620 those dancers are never off the stage they are doing an incredible job up 459 00:42:57,620 --> 00:43:01,060 there for another very lengthy musical they never I don't think they ever 460 00:43:01,060 --> 00:43:07,870 stopped moving and I'm just so happy to see this on broadway to see it receiving 461 00:43:07,870 --> 00:43:12,760 this attention and ass acclaim and recognition and it really does it really 462 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:18,460 does hint towards a continuing involvement of musical theater and what 463 00:43:18,460 --> 00:43:21,180 that will be in the future 464 00:43:21,180 --> 00:43:26,160 Michael what did you think yeah I was thinking that somebody could have just 465 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:34,470 done a color-blind cast version of 1776 but how much better now we have this 466 00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:39,480 brilliant new musical that that is you know in addition to get to the 467 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:45,800 literature and and everyone loves it its I kept it gives a negative about it it 468 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:52,570 it takes a historical story that involved all white people and mostly men 469 00:43:52,570 --> 00:43:54,940 and and opens it up 470 00:43:54,940 --> 00:44:02,070 choo choo people of all colors because that's the way it's written and the one 471 00:44:02,070 --> 00:44:06,400 of one of the salient lines in it is immigrants we get the job done which is 472 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:11,890 why I've seen the show twice once on one side and that always gets in a credible 473 00:44:11,890 --> 00:44:16,970 response from the audience that happening at the ending that carrier 42 474 00:44:16,970 --> 00:44:22,870 it's it's so extraordinary I i I had tears in my eyes and people around me 475 00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:26,990 were crying at the end the way it first of all the way that Hamilton's wife 476 00:44:26,990 --> 00:44:34,900 gives him know what happens you know you know the betrayal if you will see sexual 477 00:44:34,900 --> 00:44:39,900 betrayal and then they have that moment where where they were you actually see 478 00:44:39,900 --> 00:44:45,870 them happen and that's overwhelming and then it goes on and then he shot and 479 00:44:45,870 --> 00:44:50,780 then it turns out that she is the custodian of his of his story his sis 480 00:44:50,780 --> 00:44:56,260 history and that left the very last moment where sheep she kind of realizes 481 00:44:56,260 --> 00:44:58,490 that herself and she gets a little gasps 482 00:44:58,490 --> 00:45:04,510 everyone around me Jane Lynch was sitting behind me she was crying she had 483 00:45:04,510 --> 00:45:12,369 she was like really stopping it it it's an extraordinary piece aight I if I 484 00:45:12,369 --> 00:45:16,110 could say anything negative about the only thing I would say is it's so much 485 00:45:16,110 --> 00:45:21,100 as being thrown at you so quickly because rap sense to move so quickly 486 00:45:21,100 --> 00:45:27,360 that I i didnt have a trouble trouble understanding a single word but 487 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:32,290 absorbing is another question so it some times I just kind of let it wash over me 488 00:45:32,290 --> 00:45:37,580 and you know is getting the general just went out without being able to process 489 00:45:37,580 --> 00:45:42,410 each line I cannot wait for the cast album I I know it's going to be one of 490 00:45:42,410 --> 00:45:49,850 my most played cast albums of law and i just i mean i think every school group 491 00:45:49,850 --> 00:45:53,369 in the world will see this show and it could probably keep running on that 492 00:45:53,369 --> 00:46:00,880 alone it's it's absolutely brilliant it I just I'm sorry that some things get 493 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,790 hype undeservedly because then when something like this comes along and 494 00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:08,690 everybody goes crazy I think some people's reaction is two oh come on it 495 00:46:08,690 --> 00:46:13,520 can't be that good but it you know it really is it really is that the opening 496 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,190 line of the New York Times review 497 00:46:15,190 --> 00:46:21,470 yes i know if i can jump back into really quickly I also think it's worth 498 00:46:21,470 --> 00:46:25,940 noting how how lyndon well recognizes how devoted his fans are and I think 499 00:46:25,940 --> 00:46:29,080 it's pretty awesome that for the lottery every day the cast goes out there and 500 00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,440 are not every day but the cast as go out there and perform for the people who've 501 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,700 been waiting in line for hours and I just think I've never seen anything like 502 00:46:36,700 --> 00:46:40,270 that really happened before and I think it's really really sweet and wonderful 503 00:46:40,270 --> 00:46:44,380 how they they recognize the devotion of their fans when I was going backstage 504 00:46:44,380 --> 00:46:48,910 interview cast member recently that the press agent told me way to the stage 505 00:46:48,910 --> 00:46:55,080 door and I thought really cause you won't be able to find me I need you 506 00:46:55,080 --> 00:47:00,430 stand by Javier menéndez ok now that's what he was the one who performed Barack 507 00:47:00,430 --> 00:47:01,369 Obama 508 00:47:01,369 --> 00:47:04,820 Saturday afternoon but it did take awhile to find the press agent is there 509 00:47:04,820 --> 00:47:06,930 were a lot of thin air 510 00:47:06,930 --> 00:47:11,290 ok question now here we are with the show with non-traditional casting and 511 00:47:11,290 --> 00:47:15,589 there's already talk about movies movie version now 512 00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:19,300 non-traditional casting has been the province of theater you don't see it on 513 00:47:19,300 --> 00:47:23,750 TV you don't see the movies what will happen with this becomes a movie will 514 00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:27,589 they do it will that the public who goes to movies who doesn't go to theater be 515 00:47:27,589 --> 00:47:34,900 thoroughly flummoxed by the whole idea but but but but it really was a black 516 00:47:34,900 --> 00:47:37,309 guy there was a white guy and I don't think so 517 00:47:37,309 --> 00:47:42,250 Iowa that what you're saying yeah I guess I am well no because it's written 518 00:47:42,250 --> 00:47:48,589 specifically for that it's it's not as if they're playing the historic George 519 00:47:48,589 --> 00:47:53,369 Washington and and and Aaron Burr and lies a Hamilton etcetera 520 00:47:53,369 --> 00:47:58,059 so i i think for that reason that the movie audience should be able to accept 521 00:47:58,059 --> 00:48:03,240 it unquestionably once faithful depictions that we gotta get people with 522 00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:09,579 wooden teeth and yeah really bad skin and I mean we're not going to see Hansen 523 00:48:09,579 --> 00:48:18,210 and Katy Perry in Hamilton on in the film of Hamilton but I could see you 524 00:48:18,210 --> 00:48:26,109 know in the fact that Lin Manuel Miranda created this this piece I don't think 525 00:48:26,109 --> 00:48:29,849 there's any chance of that happening i think is gonna happen the way that he 526 00:48:29,849 --> 00:48:34,210 wants it to happen or it's not gonna happen really faithful to his his 527 00:48:34,210 --> 00:48:39,119 colleagues and his friends his standby has been down by for 10 years I remember 528 00:48:39,119 --> 00:48:42,690 in his tony's acceptance speech for in the heights he grabbed I don't know 529 00:48:42,690 --> 00:48:46,180 about God but I believe in Chris Jackson and look who's playing george washington 530 00:48:46,180 --> 00:48:51,220 he's so faithful and loyal to his his company of actors and friends I really 531 00:48:51,220 --> 00:48:54,869 doubt that Hamilton will lose any of its integrity if he was involved in it being 532 00:48:54,869 --> 00:49:02,579 made into a movie so let me just weigh in for just a minute here that I had a 533 00:49:02,579 --> 00:49:09,150 very difficult time with the first maybe 10 minutes of the show to get 534 00:49:09,150 --> 00:49:15,839 understand the rap and and which is which surprising because I didn't expect 535 00:49:15,839 --> 00:49:17,040 that because 536 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:24,110 outside a musical theatre tapes I listen to alot of rap and so I didn't expect 537 00:49:24,110 --> 00:49:28,820 that and i actually I i asked Shane Marshall brown overtime birdies office 538 00:49:28,820 --> 00:49:32,360 for a script and he sent it to me so I can I can get back into it 539 00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:39,180 reading the script I have to go see the show another ten times I loved it so 540 00:49:39,180 --> 00:49:44,320 much I I thought it was amazing and the other thing I wanted to point out to our 541 00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:50,280 listeners is that you know Lin Manuel Miranda has been working on this for a 542 00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:59,610 long time I have including in the show notes a 2009 video of Lynn at the White 543 00:49:59,610 --> 00:50:05,630 House performing a little piece from Hamilton 2009 were talking six years ago 544 00:50:05,630 --> 00:50:11,540 and he had been working on a few years already at that point I I'm just blown 545 00:50:11,540 --> 00:50:16,490 out by the production I loved it in my discussion with other folks in the 546 00:50:16,490 --> 00:50:22,420 theater community and other producers everybody celebrate everybody's afraid 547 00:50:22,420 --> 00:50:27,090 to come in with their productions because they feel like this is gonna be 548 00:50:27,090 --> 00:50:32,760 a sweep and I wonder if you know especially in maybe the supporting 549 00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:36,420 categories were gonna have multiple nominations in these people my cross 550 00:50:36,420 --> 00:50:40,630 eliminate themselves and it'll be interesting to see how the politics of 551 00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:48,760 the tony nomination process goes and if the producers the producers of Hamilton 552 00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:55,140 will hold back some people in different categories so not to have them split the 553 00:50:55,140 --> 00:51:00,040 vote per se and that but I loved it I think you know we've been saying for 554 00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,160 months everybody should get tickets and it's really hard to get tickets I think 555 00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,900 the advanced now is in the fifty million range 556 00:51:05,900 --> 00:51:13,069 you know fifty million means that you're not touch you know it's in essence sold 557 00:51:13,069 --> 00:51:16,400 out not a ticket to be had for the next year 558 00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:22,119 well you know and it's what it what a time for the Public Theater yeah I need 559 00:51:22,119 --> 00:51:27,369 to have fun home which and which just means why did they cut the budget on 560 00:51:27,369 --> 00:51:28,319 Cymbeline 561 00:51:28,319 --> 00:51:34,250 I didn't know we didn't know what a night when I guess maybe it was just 562 00:51:34,250 --> 00:51:39,010 that night but for Cymbeline there were Spanish certain search titles on screens 563 00:51:39,010 --> 00:51:42,970 on either side of the state I suppose it's only for certain performances if 564 00:51:42,970 --> 00:51:53,490 you press ASAP on your remote they go away now I so Peter will be seeing 565 00:51:53,490 --> 00:51:58,460 Hamilton next week's it will extend our conversation about Hamilton into the 566 00:51:58,460 --> 00:52:03,539 next week but last week or the week before Peter you went up to Newtown 567 00:52:03,539 --> 00:52:08,369 Connecticut to talk to see Liberty Smith sinew yes this is a musical that takes 568 00:52:08,369 --> 00:52:12,010 place in the same time period is Hamilton George Washington's character 569 00:52:12,010 --> 00:52:19,180 some steps since character and this this is of course the child with the terrible 570 00:52:19,180 --> 00:52:27,609 tragedy happened on December 14th 2012 where Adam Lanza's took the and his 571 00:52:27,609 --> 00:52:31,980 mother gave him as a present and killed her and then went to the Sandy Hook 572 00:52:31,980 --> 00:52:39,500 elementary school and executed 20 kids and six staff members so dnt kno 573 00:52:39,500 --> 00:52:44,740 Broadway producer Michael Unger a director and Jeffrey sabra musical 574 00:52:44,740 --> 00:52:49,079 director's office something had to be done and they decided to do musicals 575 00:52:49,079 --> 00:52:52,650 there each summer they do Seussical couple of years ago and I'm telling you 576 00:52:52,650 --> 00:52:58,260 lynn errands and I looked at each other during the show and shared what had to 577 00:52:58,260 --> 00:53:03,049 be at the point of tears each because really was something to watch these 20 578 00:53:03,049 --> 00:53:09,900 kids up there he no wonder what they saw as they remembered within 90 days are so 579 00:53:09,900 --> 00:53:15,010 now this was done with high school kids middle school kids in grammar school 580 00:53:15,010 --> 00:53:21,549 kids and it's a great show the kids I know that when it opened in washington a 581 00:53:21,549 --> 00:53:26,450 few years ago the reviews weren't so hot but they've done a lot of work on it a 582 00:53:26,450 --> 00:53:30,140 change the concept of the show and i think is a very smart idea it used to be 583 00:53:30,140 --> 00:53:34,289 about a guy named Liberty Smith said you now during the Revolutionary War I was 584 00:53:34,289 --> 00:53:39,270 really responsible for a lot of things well now it's a young girl in history 585 00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:44,609 class named Libby Smith who is telling the class that job after all you don't 586 00:53:44,609 --> 00:53:50,020 know this but my great-great-great grandfather was responsible for a lot of 587 00:53:50,020 --> 00:53:53,650 things in the revolutionary watch so she's essentially telling tall tales 588 00:53:53,650 --> 00:54:01,359 though we get the impression she truly believes it but for example it was he 589 00:54:01,359 --> 00:54:06,869 who is holding that kite kite when ben franklin had to take a break and he's 590 00:54:06,869 --> 00:54:10,579 the one who have that shocked talk about electricity he's the one who had the 591 00:54:10,579 --> 00:54:14,770 idea for the Boston Tea Party which is why I just follows call themselves the 592 00:54:14,770 --> 00:54:19,630 Sons of Liberty Paul Revere had a little bit too much to drink before it was to 593 00:54:19,630 --> 00:54:24,529 make his midnight ride so he had to do the driving analytic countryside the 594 00:54:24,529 --> 00:54:29,059 British economy but Paul said looked at my wife I was drunk will you and so all 595 00:54:29,059 --> 00:54:33,089 this this is what is always very fair civil very funny but it really is 596 00:54:33,089 --> 00:54:36,869 forrest gump set to music you know that's what it really is because of 597 00:54:36,869 --> 00:54:42,010 course these things truly happened but this is marvelous marvelous subplot in 598 00:54:42,010 --> 00:54:46,809 essence the deals with how difficult it was to be a woman during that period of 599 00:54:46,809 --> 00:54:52,130 time this year's Martha Dandridge Liberty loves his crazy for her she 600 00:54:52,130 --> 00:54:54,789 produces looking 601 00:54:54,789 --> 00:54:59,439 unempowered will that work but they were on the part of women and you know my 602 00:54:59,439 --> 00:55:02,809 father was gonna marry money News don't have it that's all there is to it I got 603 00:55:02,809 --> 00:55:08,339 a very many cuz I gotta be secure and and she does and eventually showed up 604 00:55:08,339 --> 00:55:12,319 marrying George Washington to celebrities is ostensibly left out in 605 00:55:12,319 --> 00:55:16,309 the cold however the most interesting characters woman named Emily Andrews too 606 00:55:16,309 --> 00:55:21,119 heavily into work works for Betsy Ross but she has the Ben Franklin has an 607 00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:26,739 apprenticeship open she wants it doesn't even remotely see a woman as a 608 00:55:26,739 --> 00:55:31,839 possibility in this role so as a result you hire somebody Smith now she likes 609 00:55:31,839 --> 00:55:37,469 him she might even be able to love Liberty Smith however he so crazy about 610 00:55:37,469 --> 00:55:44,849 that not only is is that a roadblock the point she has contempt because my mother 611 00:55:44,849 --> 00:55:51,349 is not portrayed perhaps unfairly as the brightest bulb on the tree she can only 612 00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:58,429 read little words that are far apart as mentioned in the script so so he she 613 00:55:58,429 --> 00:56:03,599 just thinks that he's just because repudiation why would that mean anything 614 00:56:03,599 --> 00:56:07,479 in fact the reason he joins Revolutionary Wars because he wants to 615 00:56:07,479 --> 00:56:12,659 impress her and she's Emily says if she loved you you would have to do anything 616 00:56:12,659 --> 00:56:19,019 at all to impress her so it's very nice they will get together under a very fine 617 00:56:19,019 --> 00:56:25,439 circumstances and all in sample use Canon zoom in and cause we do have a a 618 00:56:25,439 --> 00:56:30,869 new a new nation that comes into play here as well which is really quite good 619 00:56:30,869 --> 00:56:35,289 but I will admit to throw 620 00:56:35,289 --> 00:56:42,739 anachronism which I usually hate which I usually hate however I think this show 621 00:56:42,739 --> 00:56:46,839 gets away with it because the kids during the tail and a kid who's like in 622 00:56:46,839 --> 00:56:50,919 the eighth graders so doing this type of thing might use their criticisms 623 00:56:50,919 --> 00:56:56,479 purposely to amuse the kids in the class are just use them because it seems 624 00:56:56,479 --> 00:57:03,829 natural to her for example to dixie cups and a string you know the people 625 00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:06,430 communicating by can you hear me now 626 00:57:06,430 --> 00:57:11,440 george washington actually what points makes a speech and he says I am George 627 00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:15,849 Washington and I have approved this message things like that though this one 628 00:57:15,849 --> 00:57:18,470 i think is really really smart 629 00:57:18,470 --> 00:57:23,599 his mother suggested she try finding a worthy suitor in philadelphia liberties 630 00:57:23,599 --> 00:57:27,589 says if you can make it there you can make it anywhere now that's good because 631 00:57:27,589 --> 00:57:31,020 Philadelphia New York was the big city at that time you know so I think that's 632 00:57:31,020 --> 00:57:36,440 a very good joke so there's a lot of that but I'll tell you I was laughing 633 00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:41,300 throughout because kids doing it makes a tremendous difference I'm not sure that 634 00:57:41,300 --> 00:57:49,680 this would really fly is well done by adults is a real $162 ticket Broadway 635 00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:55,770 musical but it should be licensed and it should be done by kids because a lot of 636 00:57:55,770 --> 00:58:00,010 fun is to be had and I have to admit that when George Washington cried 637 00:58:00,010 --> 00:58:05,270 victory it almost seems like victory over Adam Lind's it's impossible to 638 00:58:05,270 --> 00:58:09,530 think about those twenty kids you could have been on that stage fact I wondered 639 00:58:09,530 --> 00:58:13,930 if the script to Libby Smith was written so it was written some time ago if 640 00:58:13,930 --> 00:58:18,589 there's an allusion to the right to be around that came up during the 641 00:58:18,589 --> 00:58:19,480 revolution 642 00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:23,650 I will say there was no mention of the Boston Massacre somehow there was a 643 00:58:23,650 --> 00:58:30,880 silence from the crowd that I think people really trying that into what has 644 00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:35,400 happened here one thing I have to say it into mission to Michael Ungar and ice 645 00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:39,880 sheet Alamo thrilled that was and that kid playing Ben Franklin you must've 646 00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:45,420 been so thrilled the moment he walked through the door and he said she was 647 00:58:45,420 --> 00:58:51,829 really great and the second act I don't but Melissa Shohei was very good at 648 00:58:51,829 --> 00:58:55,290 playing Ben Franklin really threw herself into an area right voice written 649 00:58:55,290 --> 00:59:00,349 all that so I hope this gets license because a lot of people who wanted to 650 00:59:00,349 --> 00:59:06,260 show sports Revolutionary War may not have enough boys to do 1776 in fact I 651 00:59:06,260 --> 00:59:10,240 was in Stoneham Massachusetts and start production of damn yankees with children 652 00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:15,859 and all the ball players were girls for the washington senators this it's a bit 653 00:59:15,859 --> 00:59:18,530 of a problem because I'm thinking about the Yankees 654 00:59:18,530 --> 00:59:22,610 you know so you have been a bunch of girls you should be really proud of 655 00:59:22,610 --> 00:59:28,630 yourself so so anyway this is a good when it gets you thinking about history 656 00:59:28,630 --> 00:59:33,580 about the revolutionary war it's really nice at the end when Ben Franklin 657 00:59:33,580 --> 00:59:37,650 celebrates the white red and blue only ted Ligety correctness a you now 658 00:59:37,650 --> 00:59:42,030 red-white-and-blue sounds better in those that type of show a wonderful time 659 00:59:42,030 --> 00:59:49,490 at it and I hope I see the getting again in school settings wow that's wonderful 660 00:59:49,490 --> 00:59:55,810 listeners may remember that we had been dean on the broadcast here few years 661 00:59:55,810 --> 01:00:03,450 back and I'll put a link to that too that Van Dien is Broadway producer he is 662 01:00:03,450 --> 01:00:07,230 a founder Broadway records which does cast recording sent has taken an active 663 01:00:07,230 --> 01:00:13,040 interest in supporting the Newtown area after the tragedy through the 12 14 664 01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:16,900 foundation so let's move on 665 01:00:16,900 --> 01:00:22,750 carry you wrote a an article for play bill that we want to talk about called 666 01:00:22,750 --> 01:00:29,860 career or children wife-beater parents children forced to choose and we want to 667 01:00:29,860 --> 01:00:33,880 the theater parents really are 668 01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:37,390 theater professionals who are also parents is that a good description of 669 01:00:37,390 --> 01:00:41,980 what is meant by the headline there yes or people in the theater industry who 670 01:00:41,980 --> 01:00:45,530 are thinking about being parents but don't know if they can because of the 671 01:00:45,530 --> 01:00:52,670 circumstances so give us a rundown of this article about four months of work I 672 01:00:52,670 --> 01:00:58,830 began researching collecting the interviews back in April it was just the 673 01:00:58,830 --> 01:01:02,190 results of a lot of conversations I've had with different people in the in the 674 01:01:02,190 --> 01:01:04,710 in the industry and then and women 675 01:01:04,710 --> 01:01:10,910 saying that basically unless you're very very rich it's often an either or 676 01:01:10,910 --> 01:01:18,430 situation and you can have a faithful career that you devote all your time and 677 01:01:18,430 --> 01:01:24,260 energy to or you can be apparent more women than men did speak to me for the 678 01:01:24,260 --> 01:01:28,290 article but I fully recognize and acknowledge this is an issue that 679 01:01:28,290 --> 01:01:33,940 affects both women and men but with a lot of female playwrights that I spoke 680 01:01:33,940 --> 01:01:38,830 with they said that if they want to have children they often can't go to 681 01:01:38,830 --> 01:01:43,880 different writing retreats and workshops centers in the summer because they can't 682 01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:48,070 bring their children with them and then and that can have a very negative impact 683 01:01:48,070 --> 01:01:52,400 on their work and its visibility and when you think about how many shows 684 01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:57,220 started it wonderful places like the Eugene O'Neill Theater Center it really 685 01:01:57,220 --> 01:02:02,099 is it really is affecting them so I'm hoping that the article will inspire 686 01:02:02,099 --> 01:02:06,680 similar conversations about this subject in what could what could be looked at 687 01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:12,849 again and possibly adjusted to either be more family friendly or or don't let the 688 01:02:12,849 --> 01:02:15,980 parents bring their kids with them I spoke with several people from the 689 01:02:15,980 --> 01:02:21,440 awards and Julia Jordan told me about ready nursery where parents could bring 690 01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:25,950 their children and said that it ran it was very well received and hopefully 691 01:02:25,950 --> 01:02:30,390 that will become more of the norm because male or female actor writer 692 01:02:30,390 --> 01:02:35,520 director anyone in this industry I really hope that they won't have to make 693 01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:37,420 it an either-or choice anymore it's too 694 01:02:37,420 --> 01:02:42,680 to reference the Baker's wife into the woods but it was it was a big eye-opener 695 01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:46,440 for me I don't have children myself and I learned quite a bit from talking with 696 01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:47,869 all these people and 697 01:02:47,869 --> 01:02:54,789 I have nannies and babysat and then around children a lot but hearing the 698 01:02:54,789 --> 01:02:58,700 the day-to-day impact as well as the long-term impacts was very educational 699 01:02:58,700 --> 01:03:05,720 for me and I hope that article service as an education other people as well so 700 01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:13,789 the the writer's retreat that you refer to set this space on writer farm yes 701 01:03:13,789 --> 01:03:19,309 because you're just a kid who's ur writer and we've had her on the 702 01:03:19,309 --> 01:03:25,150 broadcast here before I posted on Facebook a bunch of things from that a 703 01:03:25,150 --> 01:03:30,619 few weeks ago where she was at and she brought her kids and she talked about 704 01:03:30,619 --> 01:03:35,700 how incredible it was to be able to focus on your writing and also have 705 01:03:35,700 --> 01:03:40,599 childcare there but also be able to spend time with your children later on 706 01:03:40,599 --> 01:03:44,640 in the day when you're not in your right and you're writing seminars or in your 707 01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:45,200 writing 708 01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:54,220 chretien groups so I think that it is really a lot of it seems like there's so 709 01:03:54,220 --> 01:03:57,900 much social change happened in the last couple of years and it's all it seems to 710 01:03:57,900 --> 01:04:02,249 be all for the positive so I hope so 711 01:04:02,249 --> 01:04:05,619 one person said to me we put it off as long as we can 712 01:04:05,619 --> 01:04:12,749 yeah and and for a lot of women that is the late thirties early forties and for 713 01:04:12,749 --> 01:04:17,039 a lot of female writers that's when they're hitting their stride and and 714 01:04:17,039 --> 01:04:20,400 some people have said well why don't they just take five years a five years 715 01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,759 isn't that long of a time and then their kids will be in kindergarten but five 716 01:04:23,759 --> 01:04:27,839 years is a really long time to not be able to practice your craft whether it's 717 01:04:27,839 --> 01:04:32,940 writing acting singing that's a really long time and try to get back into the 718 01:04:32,940 --> 01:04:38,509 field after that I've been told is a big challenge all I can think of you know at 719 01:04:38,509 --> 01:04:43,009 least two people that leave immediately to mind as two examples of people who 720 01:04:43,009 --> 01:04:47,049 sort of put their careers on hold for a while in order to raise families Patti 721 01:04:47,049 --> 01:04:54,230 LuPone and Judy Kuhn and out solely to that leap to mind immediately so I think 722 01:04:54,230 --> 01:04:58,720 that you know perhaps if there had been more 723 01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:05,580 more resources as carriers discussing that we might have seen maybe more of 724 01:05:05,580 --> 01:05:10,010 those people during those periods so those are only two examples yeah we miss 725 01:05:10,010 --> 01:05:14,070 him desperately when they did that yes going back to what we said about how 726 01:05:14,070 --> 01:05:18,670 long women well spent writing Hamilton and he's been close to a decade working 727 01:05:18,670 --> 01:05:23,700 on in the heights I think if he'd take it just taken five years off where what 728 01:05:23,700 --> 01:05:24,660 Hamilton d 729 01:05:24,660 --> 01:05:31,109 exactly but I suppose it's a little a little easier for writers and actors 730 01:05:31,109 --> 01:05:36,420 because you can to some extent you can you can right at home but what they were 731 01:05:36,420 --> 01:05:40,090 telling me about his writing her treats is that's where you get the workshops 732 01:05:40,090 --> 01:05:43,580 that's where you can see your work being done and that's where producers will 733 01:05:43,580 --> 01:05:47,290 take an interest in it and if they can't go to these workshops sure you can do 734 01:05:47,290 --> 01:05:50,830 the writing but what marcia Norman said to me was you can't walk out into the 735 01:05:50,830 --> 01:05:56,550 street and march around with a stack of papers shouting I have written of people 736 01:05:56,550 --> 01:06:00,290 with money to see it as people are at those workshops and I if they can't go 737 01:06:00,290 --> 01:06:03,880 to the workshops with the point of writing a fabulous place of normalcy it 738 01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:08,220 produced it work on it we're investing the time that you put into it I have to 739 01:06:08,220 --> 01:06:14,250 also point out that on paper it's it's it's seems totally feasible to work from 740 01:06:14,250 --> 01:06:18,310 home and it just does not work 741 01:06:18,310 --> 01:06:24,380 yes I want it you know I tell you from there the business that I built I can 742 01:06:24,380 --> 01:06:29,410 pretty much work from anywhere and I worked I worked from home you got a 743 01:06:29,410 --> 01:06:35,640 little bill for that when I worked at work from home for a few years and I got 744 01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:39,530 nothing done because my children climbing on me and get children to 745 01:06:39,530 --> 01:06:43,369 totally quiet until the most important client calls you up on the phone are you 746 01:06:43,369 --> 01:06:46,930 closing a deal are you having a conference call and then the children 747 01:06:46,930 --> 01:06:51,950 and your spouse and the cats and everybody will come in we can I 748 01:06:51,950 --> 01:06:56,740 eventually you know I took an office that is 10 minutes away from my house 749 01:06:56,740 --> 01:07:00,580 just so I can go to a space to work at and you have to get away from your 750 01:07:00,580 --> 01:07:06,980 family in order to be productive in many cases a wonderful book called a hundred 751 01:07:06,980 --> 01:07:09,019 essays I don't have time to write 752 01:07:09,019 --> 01:07:15,919 are about being a working parents and the very first essay in the book has her 753 01:07:15,919 --> 01:07:20,609 top writing about being being a parent who is a writer and then a line stops 754 01:07:20,609 --> 01:07:27,729 and then animal 7 is the next line has come up to the computer and press that 755 01:07:27,729 --> 01:07:32,569 button and I spoke at great lengths to this article and several other people 756 01:07:32,569 --> 01:07:37,039 told me that they had reached out for help when they were thinking about being 757 01:07:37,039 --> 01:07:42,499 parents or had become pregnant and thought how do I do this and I'd really 758 01:07:42,499 --> 01:07:47,549 recommend reading those essays hasta crater and it was a big eye-opener for 759 01:07:47,549 --> 01:07:51,769 reading about being a writer and a parent just three and she told me when 760 01:07:51,769 --> 01:07:55,319 she was pregnant with twins she didn't know she be able to write again and I 761 01:07:55,319 --> 01:07:58,579 think that would be a great loss to the theater cerebral was already in place 762 01:07:58,579 --> 01:08:05,049 absolutely will carry this is incredible series of articles that you continue to 763 01:08:05,049 --> 01:08:09,359 do one play bill and we did this on played on clay bill so that our 764 01:08:09,359 --> 01:08:12,659 listeners can check it out for themselves and we look forward to the 765 01:08:12,659 --> 01:08:17,900 next one and you know for months of work that I hope that the next four months 766 01:08:17,900 --> 01:08:24,099 away this was worth every minute though I'm really happy to have written it all 767 01:08:24,099 --> 01:08:30,159 rights you let's wrap up for today before we go into our credits and talk 768 01:08:30,159 --> 01:08:33,289 about trivia when remind everybody that you can subscribe to be broadcast by 769 01:08:33,289 --> 01:08:36,460 going to the front page of broader video.com this is subscribe link that we 770 01:08:36,460 --> 01:08:39,179 each and every time we have a new episode of this week on broadway it'll 771 01:08:39,179 --> 01:08:42,449 be automatically downloaded iTunes few course you don't have to listen to us 772 01:08:42,449 --> 01:08:46,019 and I too many ways one of the ways assistant Europe which is an application 773 01:08:46,019 --> 01:08:51,059 for iPhone BlackBerry Android device and get a stream to you BroadwayWorld radio 774 01:08:51,059 --> 01:08:55,259 places Wednesdays at noon Thursday at 7 p.m. and Saturday 2 p.m. contact 775 01:08:55,259 --> 01:09:00,019 information true peter for Michael for Carrie and for me can be found a 776 01:09:00,019 --> 01:09:03,809 broadway radio.com as well as links to some of the things we've talked about 777 01:09:03,809 --> 01:09:10,269 today including links to roles interview on Friday btw of indians interview that 778 01:09:10,269 --> 01:09:14,569 Lin Manuel Miranda YouTube video where from 2009 779 01:09:14,569 --> 01:09:19,279 and the link to carry this article so Peter do we have an answer for last week 780 01:09:19,279 --> 01:09:25,829 a couple weeks ago trivia yeah I had asked what a tease musical in a rather 781 01:09:25,829 --> 01:09:31,089 famous one for that matter with a foreword title referenced a forties 782 01:09:31,089 --> 01:09:36,909 musical and that was a woman of the year which has a song called so what else is 783 01:09:36,909 --> 01:09:42,449 due in which Ira Gershwin's lady in the dark as pensions so as I said the first 784 01:09:42,449 --> 01:09:46,389 words were synonymous woman lady I also mention that one of the world's was 785 01:09:46,389 --> 01:09:54,159 exactly the same so the answer and by the way you can now because Sony 786 01:09:54,159 --> 01:10:00,420 masterworks Broadway is re-releasing the test how much was on the Eris delay but 787 01:10:00,420 --> 01:10:06,980 way back wins so it's pretty good score can do whatever the first to admit that 788 01:10:06,980 --> 01:10:12,480 they did as a vehicle for Lauren Bacall and it turned out rather well I mean 789 01:10:12,480 --> 01:10:17,560 they want to score Peter stolen best book because won best actress and 790 01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:23,199 Maryland Cooper real trooper for playback win who was really down and out 791 01:10:23,199 --> 01:10:30,010 here she she lived in the building next year's to see all the time and Marilyn 792 01:10:30,010 --> 01:10:36,420 was an understudy involve a year and a half before the air happens she was 793 01:10:36,420 --> 01:10:42,949 relegated to that status and and here she was suddenly have been one Scene one 794 01:10:42,949 --> 01:10:51,980 song and one Tony Award as a result so she really terrific song the grass is 795 01:10:51,980 --> 01:10:55,310 always greener so whenever she was interviewed about that she used to say 796 01:10:55,310 --> 01:10:59,270 well it is a duet you know because Lauren Bacall was certainly part of the 797 01:10:59,270 --> 01:11:04,619 number as well and a very important part two but it tends to be a case of people 798 01:11:04,619 --> 01:11:09,340 remember that song which Monday remember lauren bacall anyway this week's trivia 799 01:11:09,340 --> 01:11:11,020 question all right 800 01:11:11,020 --> 01:11:16,170 forty years of passage Chorus Line opened and a chorus line question in 801 01:11:16,170 --> 01:11:20,920 chorus line open started previews I should say the Public Theater the song 802 01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:27,070 in the playbill was called tits and ass ok fine suddenly people noticing that 803 01:11:27,070 --> 01:11:31,510 nobody was laughing at the song just really rather funny so they changed the 804 01:11:31,510 --> 01:11:38,070 title now actually they changed the title twice this title me know today 805 01:11:38,070 --> 01:11:44,250 against him looks 3 was not the first title they chose what was the first 806 01:11:44,250 --> 01:11:54,570 title they chose between tits and ass and danced and looks 34 I thought I knew 807 01:11:54,570 --> 01:12:00,720 the story but I guess not well if you do have an answer for that sent an email to 808 01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:04,910 trivia at Broadway video.com and we'll take a look at the answers that comes 809 01:12:04,910 --> 01:12:10,510 through and let you know hopefully next week if I remember so Peter just before 810 01:12:10,510 --> 01:12:16,480 we run away we had Brian Hargrove on last week to talk about it should have 811 01:12:16,480 --> 01:12:20,800 been you in the cast recording that's been released or in digital form so far 812 01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:26,310 and he talked about how great empty I was to have picked up it should have 813 01:12:26,310 --> 01:12:31,500 been you and it's sorta getting a lot of a lot of response the licensing folks at 814 01:12:31,500 --> 01:12:36,260 MTI working really hard there to get that out there which is awesome and 815 01:12:36,260 --> 01:12:41,750 which reminds me of gonna read article about that I'm glad you brought it up to 816 01:12:41,750 --> 01:12:47,420 that and I saw on that that little website playbill.com that there was an 817 01:12:47,420 --> 01:12:52,800 interview with Andrew Lippa and they are one of the things that we talked about 818 01:12:52,800 --> 01:13:00,060 with wild party at CityCenter off off-center get their cars off center 819 01:13:00,060 --> 01:13:07,510 encores off-center that wild party is licensing the original version which is 820 01:13:07,510 --> 01:13:12,390 one of the questions I said if they licensing but that andrew is actively 821 01:13:12,390 --> 01:13:18,950 trying to get this new version that he rode into into regional productions and 822 01:13:18,950 --> 01:13:20,180 is 823 01:13:20,180 --> 01:13:24,240 is talking with a bunch of people about that so if you didn't get a chance to 824 01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:29,880 see the the AQUOS production this summer was a very three or four performances 825 01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:33,660 very short perhaps we'll be able to see it around the country and I will look 826 01:13:33,660 --> 01:13:38,860 for our listeners to email us and let us know what they think about that where 827 01:13:38,860 --> 01:13:41,430 you can call us and let us know what they think about that her phone number 828 01:13:41,430 --> 01:13:50,410 is actually on our page a broader video the phone number is 888 28546 66 which 829 01:13:50,410 --> 01:13:56,280 you can leave a voicemail so on behalf of Michael port entier beautiful mission 830 01:13:56,280 --> 01:14:00,210 carry purcell this is James Moreno sink thanks so much for listening to pro 831 01:14:00,210 --> 01:14:02,300 debuts this week of Broadway by back