Peter Filichia, James Marino and Michael Portantiere chat with Michael Riedel about his new book, Razzle Dazzle. We review The Bandstand @ Paper Mill, Romance Language, Trip of Love, and talk about Elizabeth Broadhurst in Oh, Kay! Also, Matt Tamanini reports in on a Television and Film update.
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Guest: Michael Riedel
Razzle Dazzle: The Battle for Broadway by Michael Riedel
Broadway’s most respected (and feared) commentator pulls back the curtain on its stars, its producers, and its mega-hits to reveal all the shocking drama, intrigue, and power plays that happened off stage.
READ: Vanity Fair: Dreamgirls, Nine, and the Greatest Face-Off in Tony Award History
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-- Robert De Niro on New York, New York (Kander and Ebb)
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MP + PF: Trip of Love @ Stage 42, 422 West 42nd Street
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coming up on friday deals this week on
Broadway he talked with Michael detail
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about his new book razzle-dazzle we
reviewed the bandstand a paper mill
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Romance language trip of love and we
talked about Elizabeth Broadhurst ok
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awesome at Tammany joins in to report on
a television and film update please stay
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tuned
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hello and welcome to Broadway video this
week on Broadway for Sunday October 25th
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2015 my name is James doing the
broadcast this morning have Michael
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pourtant air heater phyllisha and Matt
M&E peter is the theater journalist and
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historian with a number of books this
most recent is the great parade of which
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is available everywhere his comments
appeared empty like Ritalin masterworks
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Broadway Broadway selected many other
places
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good morning peter the blinding also if
this is Michael put on tier michael is a
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theater reviewer and essayist whose work
appears to talk and Broadway the suntan
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review and Broadway stars he is also at
the actual photographer his photos have
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appeared in the New York Times and other
major publications you could see his
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photography work at follow us at
twitter.com
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good morning Michael good morning also
with this is Matt tammany matt is
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broader world senior TV and film critic
and right across other broader world
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site including broder World Orlando he
is the site advertising database manager
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matt is a director producer playwright
and services executive and co-artistic
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director of the squeaky wheel theater
project in Orlando you can connect with
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Matt through Twitter and had PWW match
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good morning that I'm good thank you
with us today we have a very special
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guests a man who needs no introduction
to our listeners Michael regal has with
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us michael is the guys and in fact it
went back and looked at our our notes
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michael is a return engagement ring to
the broadcast michael's been with us
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before on this week and Broadway few
years back we'll put a link in this in
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the notes to people want to go back and
listen to that but Michael site from his
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his duties pending a column at the New
York Post as had enough time to get out
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and write a book a very thick book
called razzle-dazzle the battle for
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broadway which is on the impact it may
be longer the region's quickly as a
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trashy Jack Bauer you know i i i let me
be the judge of that
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as many books as Jackie Collins book how
did you talk somebody at Simon and
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Schuster into producing a broadway book
well I'll be answered new proposal went
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around we had a number of dealers from
the major publishing houses at the
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concern was that Broadway books fall
into the Broadway gano elapsed yeah and
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you see most popular books are published
by smaller publishers like Lost offshore
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academic presses but simon schuster and
two or three other major publishers did
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respond to the aspect of the book that
the fortunes of one way to the fortunes
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of New York City and that in the
seventies when sixties and seventies
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York that's like bankrupt and dangerous
road within a very perilous position as
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well
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theater stayed alive and there were a
handful of people who stopped by
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Broadway and turned it around tried to
make the book that in saving Broadway
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they also have a chance of York City and
the publishers Simon Shuster in
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particular they thought that was a a
bigger picture to paint and that we then
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the history of New York's ups and downs
and York's revival with the revival on
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broadway but told for the stories of
these very colorful people who stopped
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by Broadway say that they thought that
book had a little more appeal than a
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book that is you know just a critical
survey let's take the musicals stephen
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sondheim so you know they may have
installed but they've got it really is
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an excellent history book that I really
do believe will become a text book and
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many college courses and for those who
said he's a gossip columnist I think
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you've shown that you're substantially
more than that though I thank you Peter
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appreciate that I knew I cannot be right
there was no way I could widen the style
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my columns and your college especially
gotta be featured columnist
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snide and sarcastic in it she and the
attack and a little thing happen flair
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know the water which will tradition but
like not I'd written four hundred and
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thirty two-page book written in thirty
two-page book and a style would be
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tedious and the fourth page so I really
deliberately set out not to write in the
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style of a tablet that's how they get
the interview I'll give you something
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great old Broadway preachers and told me
their stories I realized they hold these
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anecdotes and these stories and they
reflected in a in a very theatrical
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compelling way and I had to get out of
the way and let them to only dust for
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read the the excerpt that was in vanity
fair was a bitch that part of it is is
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more specifically concerned with the
with the competition between nine and
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Dreamgirls for best musical which
absolutely fascinating itself with it
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was an epic it was an epic battle 1982
war between Michael Bennet's Dreamgirls
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and Tommy tunes and I are you that you
will cuz I know about that story and I'm
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like a lot of rivalry with the tony
awards that this one was very interested
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in the end at work trying to do the book
because behind that behind that battle
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is the battle to build the Marriott
Marquis you know the very first thing
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that began to revitalize Times Square
but in order to build that hotel which
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remains of the ugliest piece of
architecture city but in order to build
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a hotel the city had to tear down the
aisle in hey here's the moscow feeder
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two of his legendary theaters as well as
a little tiny theater called the big
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issue and the tearing down of those
theaters caused a civil war within the
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broader community because most of the
actors and playwrights they were all
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theaters they didn't want a hundred
years of Natural History
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wiped out the schubert organization 30
Jacobs injuries to wrap our people
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players michael they were big proponents
of revitalizing Times Square and they
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could delay the schubert organization
behind those marquee a lot of people on
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broadway blame them for the long heaters
and all well and safe so to what at all
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between Dreamgirls produced by the
schubert organization and nine which was
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kind of a back by a lot of flying by the
seat of our pants young people numbers
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and Francine LeFrak you need a lender
was in there and say I'm calling you a
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chance where and when people lie about I
do believe they thought you know what we
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are so pissed off that burning Jerry for
wanting to build this horrible hotel
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we're gonna end street and we're going
to vote for nine and so that backstage
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got to be stopped officer tied in with
us we're trying to tell about how Times
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Square was revitalized so that's
absolutely give you an example of a
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gossipy bit but that also serves place
for more of a larger point I was trying
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to get out ok but the question becomes
Jerry made the statement in the book you
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you quote him as saying look these are
not musical theater's visa playhouses
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and as a result they're not going to get
the type of bookings that I'm gonna
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happen in the future because we're
coming up becoming a much more musical
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centric Broadway do you agree with that
little did he know that now we take lots
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of playhouses quarter-on-quarter used
Isuzu sickle cell houses but I guess
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yeah I know he would have had no way of
knowing that I mean jerry was gary was
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to his credit really want a very very
first people to push and he pushed
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aggressively to revitalize Times Square
I mean will give a lot of credit to Rudy
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Giuliani and busy but they come much
later Jerry but fighting for this in the
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in the seventies you know form the
committee which was the very first
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public and private group of people who
really thought we gotta save time
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for Jerry it was without his business
was maritimes where he was going to go
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down the tubes so was the sugar
organization so he was doing it really
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to survive I'm ambivalent about the
whole situation I I love the dreidel
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Peters I think a place yet on the Moscow
Art Deco salesman premiered should still
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be with us and as my friend is ugly as I
think america marty is I cannot deny
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that it really did begin the
revitalization Times Square because
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nothing is nothing in Times Square about
them that would attract people who
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weren't really on the lookout for shady
kinds of things and you're gonna put a
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SoCal which while if you look at it
closely with designed like a bunker I
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see a lot of the eighth floor of the
risk it was designed to make people come
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to New York and he'll face you're
protected from there from what was going
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on around them in times square but it
was a reasonably priced hotel for middle
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and upper middle class people to venture
into new york and not feel terrified
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like they felt safe in the hotel
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burden-sharing new if you had people
coming in at hotel
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who were looking to go to legitimate
shall we say things that is broadway
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shows they were like they're in the
neighborhood and that hotel country
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people into the Broadway theaters and
indeed that is I think over time what
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happened but you look at pictures of the
Helen Hayes in moscow they were they
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were wonderful theaters and there's no
question that we lost 100 years of
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Broadway history with no seeders came
down and they weren't Schubert it is
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either I don't think perjury with
foreign powers that works for a couple
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of photos of the good although her
brother did bill both Michael and tell
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us about this
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the impetus behind behind this this book
that you've written when you know how
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did you decide to pick just these the
book ends of these years to tell this
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story
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well I really wanted to get out of that
they would I want to show how
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from Broadway to the really to say that
the revitalization of New York City
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because for years and I i've lived as
you have free time square in its cd-da
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is and what it is today this morning
shiny tourist attraction that is no good
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generates and then massive income choreo
toward the city and Broadway too but I
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was interested in the struggle of how
Broadway really was saved back then and
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I have to want to get across the point
is I often hear people talk about 30
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like city they talk about sports scratch
you know we need a sports-themed build a
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new stadium now I'm always believed that
the arts are fundamental to a vital city
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and that when brought her down for the
count in Times Square was really seedy
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New York is one thing that no other city
in the world and that's Broadway and
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people who worked on broadway who loved
broadway who whose lives were tied up
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too broadly they didn't give up on your
district they started by it and they
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worked like hell and they really have a
lot of battles to turn around and say
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that I just think that broadway never
really got the proper credit and the
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Broadway theatre artists never got the
credit for doing their part to
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revitalize Times Square in New York City
I two stories from me in 1970 I guess it
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would have been I went with a friend to
see butterflies are free and we were not
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I wouldn't exactly say mug but we were
strong-armed on the street in the middle
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of the day in Times Square right to
disreputable gentlemen it's like giving
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them money and then a few years later I
guess the early eighties I was working
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in 1515 Broadway believe it or not and I
went out on my lunch hour Wednesday and
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somebody came up to me and pretended to
have or may be really did have a gun in
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his pocket and tried to get so this is
what the reality was back then and
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people are quite realize it well as
Michael rights i'd rather a thriving if
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touristy Times Square than a sad
derelict one and I agree with that
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I'm so curious it does seem like there's
been a bit of a weird back turn lately
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with all of the negative publicity on
times square in terms of the Painted
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Ladies in the end the fairly aggressive
characters in costumes and also try
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pushing trying to put CDs we still gotta
tell you something I have to get a
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charity show credit when they when he
saw the plan for the Marriott Marquis
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Hotel in the understanding the plans
included a pedestrian plows and sharing
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with absolutely against the pedestrian
plaza will just be a place for shady
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nefarious people can gather and
harassing customers and that should be
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me what's happening now and I really
think bill Ratner police commissioner
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and wat you may have to keep an eye on
that because it's implied very quickly
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and once people begin to fear being
somewhere they start to fade away and
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that becomes a problem
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yes and you know Patti LuPone went on
record as saying how how how much she
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hates being in that area I know many
friends of mine say they avoided like
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the plague as I do we even saw an
example of a can't remember now maybe
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one of the other guys does of a theater
an off-broadway theater that advertised
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as a plus the fact that it's not in
Times Square it's one of one of the
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several the official who talked about
Jerry's efforts to say Times Square told
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me and Jerry had lived there were to be
no pedestrian plaza where the schubert
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organization with thought that tooth and
nail and they had a lot of influence a
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lot of influence with the city where
they were thinking of putting that
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pedestrian plaza there in the in the
late seventies not only to Jerry oh shit
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but so did the
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co-producer sorry Alex come to call the
with that it's going to be needle part
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for vagrants to do their due to drugs
and outside and they had made a few
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months ago judge it I just think it's at
the Daily News had an article that was
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talking about maybe creating a park soon
in their cause if you create a park
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you can't have any of the characters in
there because you can operate a business
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within the park that's what I was aiming
their piano before this plaza there have
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been lots of other places in in
throughout the city where you would
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think that this might become an issue
like South Street Seaport and get out
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would separate the Year honors really
don't like it don't like it just might
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be able to get around it but people get
their cars in the Cedar shows a number
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of people have told me that really since
the death death of Jerry schoenfeld in
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2008 there has not been somebody who's
really active who represents the
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Broadway community in dealing with the
city that was really something that
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Jerry did brilliantly in no one has its
fill that void relations between
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Broadway and the city and that's one
reason why feature
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tangled up shows just how powerful Jerry
Jerry was back in those days in
00:18:01.500 --> 00:18:04.610
Cherrydale the city birdie jacobson's
Business Park about the company with him
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but he's great strength was in producing
the show was burning great strength in
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his relationships with people like
Michael Bennett who created the course
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I'm Dreamgirls of course and the Cameron
Mackintosh in Andrew Lloyd Webber and
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Cameron Mackintosh told the lady with
the kids or producer with no money and
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he produced little by little shows in
London and he had a sort of cheap
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airline tickets the company you work for
the very first time and he was talking
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to a couple of guys who want theatres in
London and they said you got to meet a
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friend for Jenkins while you're in New
York remember this is Cameron Mackintosh
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before he was coming back
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and Cameron presented himself and nobody
took him to lunch and asking where he
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was staying in Camarillo is not cheap
hotel he said you know that and i own a
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house use our guest room and four years
when Cameron Mackintosh was just kidding
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he would come to New York and he had no
money he always stayed and burning and
00:19:02.460 --> 00:19:06.909
Betty Jenkins guest room is to call my
new york crash pad and was because
00:19:06.909 --> 00:19:12.179
burning like them and pretty all bernie
saw him was a talented passionate your
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kid who might someday do something well
it turned out that talented passionate
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Peter kid cats
00:19:18.179 --> 00:19:24.730
problem handsome and Miss Saigon and
they'd Schubert's hundreds hundreds of
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millions of dollars but he was very good
at spotting young people who just
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completely committed to to to the
theater business and and and and and
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developing relationships with them so
who is the Newberry Jacob stand are we
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looking for the various folks at the
large multinationals that are producing
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Broadway to undertake these roles I
don't think you'll ever have to god-like
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body injury who really dominated the
business because now corporations are
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never going to be dominated by the real
estate guys and the producers are so
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powerful in their own right because they
need so much money like like wicked and
00:20:07.380 --> 00:20:12.520
Jersey Boys and my money that they're
not going to be pushed around by
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Schubert's me after number brain injury
they they brand everything they
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generally union they ran the League of
American theaters and producers of
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Broadway's they ran the way they Randy
actress fun they control the real estate
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they controlled Michael Bennet they had
their deals with Cameron and and and and
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Andrew for all those great shows they
dominated businessmen not for nothing
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with Jenkins called the dot and I
remember the very first time I ever saw
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would have been I think 1991 or 1992
United Jewish appeal benefit which he
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was being honored I was looking like 22
I remember going to the event
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and unite heard of this early Jacobs I
knew he was a mature but organization
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and I looked at the table where he was
sitting with his family and there was a
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line of people waiting to pay their
respects and it looked exactly like
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that's what I don't think anyone is ever
gonna have that kind of power in the
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future now requires all diffuse
00:21:19.899 --> 00:21:24.399
around now when I get up early and very
well we're running a business trip me
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back in the early seventies was not a
multi-billion dollar global business
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that is that a backwater of the
entertainment in my book first chapter
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is about helping scandal in the in the
early sixties I wanna I wanna do start
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the book out later that want to show
people that did business once upon time
00:21:43.490 --> 00:21:54.950
had been a real lucky to work in let's
see when would it have been in the
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eighties I had a friend who worked in in
box office and I brought up the question
00:22:01.169 --> 00:22:09.010
of ice one day and he clammed up liking
I can't even though I mean his face
00:22:09.010 --> 00:22:16.899
turned like white and Michael probably
we should probably explain what I said
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yeah just this is a very simple example
in it but if it did it legally seeps
00:22:24.130 --> 00:22:29.010
through the entire industry back at the
time hiding in the book if they check it
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allowed to say that racism is secured in
1970 1960 was $10 76 Martin
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your the box office treasurer at my fair
lady and they're only 1,500 seats and I
00:22:43.840 --> 00:22:49.149
gotta show the world a lot more people
just 1,500 wanna see that show and have
00:22:49.149 --> 00:22:53.679
any any given night so if you have
access to that $10 ticket you just take
00:22:53.679 --> 00:22:56.570
it off the shelf in your pocket
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go to a ticket broker or a ticket
scalper and selling that ticket let's
00:23:01.210 --> 00:23:08.840
say he give you 50 bucks for that
penalty well that's 40 bucks cash
00:23:08.840 --> 00:23:14.039
that you put your pocket and is never
traced and has called twice because of
00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:18.480
the way and the ticket broker but then
take $50 chickened out and sell it to
00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:25.980
his customers $400 now this was going on
all the fans everywhere after three IRS
00:23:25.980 --> 00:23:30.559
never knew anything about that which is
why was illegal and when it was when I
00:23:30.559 --> 00:23:35.330
began my book and the original box
covers it all very investigation on the
00:23:35.330 --> 00:23:40.880
front page of the inspectors days they
estimated that year in and year out the
00:23:40.880 --> 00:23:45.679
amount of ice on Broadway with anywhere
from 75 200 million dollars in 1960 in
00:23:45.679 --> 00:23:51.600
today's dollars that's five 600 to 700
million dollars all going around at the
00:23:51.600 --> 00:23:59.669
IRS never do anything it has meant that
mister mister deja Q public couldn't get
00:23:59.669 --> 00:24:02.700
a ticket to not shown because they were
all being funneled to the bunkers and
00:24:02.700 --> 00:24:06.760
everything including as I say in the
book the schubert organization attack in
00:24:06.760 --> 00:24:12.059
a room room 504 in the side of building
where they were selling the tickets to
00:24:12.059 --> 00:24:15.929
brokers and dividing up the money and
distributing distributor you up and down
00:24:15.929 --> 00:24:20.250
the chain at the Shubert organization
right up to the top flight up to Larry
00:24:20.250 --> 00:24:26.140
Schubert one nephew of jay jay he was
writing the company so everybody and
00:24:26.140 --> 00:24:32.960
Jerry be lawyers and judges lawyers
readers were liars and they knew that
00:24:32.960 --> 00:24:38.110
this was totally illegal and the company
if if there were an investigation the
00:24:38.110 --> 00:24:41.770
whole company could be shut down and
indeed when I was researching that had
00:24:41.770 --> 00:24:45.620
to look closely her body injury involved
in this their characters now and I
00:24:45.620 --> 00:24:49.770
tracked down the 87 now he was the
assistant attorney general who
00:24:49.770 --> 00:24:53.820
investigated the ice data back then and
I asked him point-blank at all I need to
00:24:53.820 --> 00:24:58.460
know will burn injuries and his quote
which I am the booklets I am NOT here to
00:24:58.460 --> 00:25:06.640
I'm not here to excuse anyone or
whitewash anyone but I will only say
00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:11.850
that in the course of my investigation
two people were very helpful and they
00:25:11.850 --> 00:25:16.130
were burning Jacobs and Jerry schoenfeld
because they understood what was at
00:25:16.130 --> 00:25:18.480
stake
00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:22.770
one of the things that was really had a
huge impact on me and reading the book
00:25:22.770 --> 00:25:30.530
is that the enormous and powerful
schubert organization was on the ropes
00:25:30.530 --> 00:25:36.919
at times and they are and that we we
seriously if it weren't for this two
00:25:36.919 --> 00:25:41.370
gentlemen we speak we could have a
different Broadway landscape today
00:25:41.370 --> 00:25:46.919
well yet remember he major issue
burtless
00:25:46.919 --> 00:25:51.010
he died in the early sixties and burn
injury had worked for him for many years
00:25:51.010 --> 00:25:56.470
as a lawyer and it was not a piece of
circumstances that total tyrant flights
00:25:56.470 --> 00:26:00.130
they're needed somebody needed to take
over the company is always been a family
00:26:00.130 --> 00:26:05.179
business but jay-z a son John died a few
years before he was the only air so
00:26:05.179 --> 00:26:09.400
there's nobody around and indeed bernie
that suggested that Jerry step forward
00:26:09.400 --> 00:26:11.480
and become the chairman
00:26:11.480 --> 00:26:14.620
back then but youre even the ultimate
and he felt it will look back into the
00:26:14.620 --> 00:26:21.549
family that's so why aren't you remarks
JJ's nephew was made the head but he was
00:26:21.549 --> 00:26:25.760
a total drunk btw literally ran the
company from the second floor bar
00:26:25.760 --> 00:26:29.940
starting so it never too far from the
Scotch didn't care about the theater
00:26:29.940 --> 00:26:35.290
just collecting rent from the show
should stop producing you rarely went to
00:26:35.290 --> 00:26:38.730
rehearsals you we're really went to
backers auditions anyone when he would
00:26:38.730 --> 00:26:42.320
go he was embarrassed because he'd be so
drunk he get on the course girls or
00:26:42.320 --> 00:26:46.950
something like that and burn injuries
burn injury suffered under him for 10
00:26:46.950 --> 00:26:50.600
years until they finally realized the
whole the whole thing was falling apart
00:26:50.600 --> 00:26:57.169
of our nation was in dire dire straits
and they staged a boardroom coup and
00:26:57.169 --> 00:27:02.520
they got him out and they took control
of the company for themselves and have
00:27:02.520 --> 00:27:05.780
an interview that party jacobs did with
this gorgeous first family before he
00:27:05.780 --> 00:27:10.270
died his widow Betty but be used for the
book and he said when he and Brady got
00:27:10.270 --> 00:27:13.650
control of things that should work
organization had a cash flow problem
00:27:13.650 --> 00:27:18.500
they need two million dollar line of
credit from JPMorgan Chase and bills so
00:27:18.500 --> 00:27:23.830
bernie went to JPMorgan and he used as
collateral 17 Shubert theaters to get a
00:27:23.830 --> 00:27:27.909
million dollar line of credit and
JPMorgan turned him down if they deemed
00:27:27.909 --> 00:27:31.830
in 1972 that seventeen Broadway theaters
or not
00:27:31.830 --> 00:27:37.260
with $1,000,000 ever specialty used
properties in a meeting neighborhood and
00:27:37.260 --> 00:27:42.720
our million dollars now jump ahead today
marks are going to build a 1500 seek
00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:50.649
musical theatre house I'm land they own
on 45th Street 46 tree the minimum cost
00:27:50.649 --> 00:27:56.179
just a bit but peter is 175 million for
one year now they own the land so if you
00:27:56.179 --> 00:28:01.470
had to buy the land and then we're
looking at 400 500 million dollars from
00:28:01.470 --> 00:28:07.120
one theater 1972 according to JPMorgan
seventeen workers were not working on
00:28:07.120 --> 00:28:11.340
the dollars that gives you i think is
not show the state of Broadway that you
00:28:11.340 --> 00:28:19.210
have a specific question do you know the
little Shubert Schubert own that
00:28:19.210 --> 00:28:27.059
building yes they do they have the
mistake right now and so now they are
00:28:27.059 --> 00:28:34.250
leasing the theater 22 others as a very
recently and changed the name of it is
00:28:34.250 --> 00:28:38.610
that what would happen I'm not sure of
the details the ins and outs i mean they
00:28:38.610 --> 00:28:43.570
built it lands there was a brief period
you may remember this number of that
00:28:43.570 --> 00:28:49.210
period where off-broadway time we seem
to be the new thing and you'll find was
00:28:49.210 --> 00:28:54.549
going off Broadway and off-broadway and
Broadway with just you know I was just
00:28:54.549 --> 00:28:59.029
diana is going to be 44 boring musicals
and all the real stuff is happening
00:28:59.029 --> 00:29:02.960
off-broadway a bill that capitalize on
it but that's what happened was a
00:29:02.960 --> 00:29:06.130
business model might be pointed out
early earlier
00:29:06.130 --> 00:29:11.929
to figure out a way to get you the cold
in 2009 musical theatre houses on
00:29:11.929 --> 00:29:16.610
Broadway Playhouse work that and then
the play came roaring back because they
00:29:16.610 --> 00:29:21.610
get too cold pitner you Jack Curtin
Statesman a flight for fourteen fifteen
00:29:21.610 --> 00:29:26.720
weeks to demand to be so great we can
charge an arm and a leg for the tickets
00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:31.960
so laid back to Broadway and then
clearly the Commercial Off Broadway was
00:29:31.960 --> 00:29:36.350
devastated and they couldn't book the
little Shubert years or whatever they
00:29:36.350 --> 00:29:39.309
had that class right
00:29:39.309 --> 00:29:45.019
michael chang nothing nothing ever stays
the same distance and that's like
00:29:45.019 --> 00:29:52.720
constantly shifting ok two lines jumped
out at me from the book one stanley
00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:57.549
kaufman who by the way was New York
Times theater critic for a year
00:29:57.549 --> 00:30:02.320
Stanley Kauffmann was uncomfortable
being a public target which inevitably
00:30:02.320 --> 00:30:08.440
comes with such an influential job and
the sauce will quote david merrick
00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:11.590
didn't give a damn what people thought
of him
00:30:11.590 --> 00:30:16.009
alright my truck were you in that are
you uncomfortable are comfortable with
00:30:16.009 --> 00:30:21.389
being a public target and such an
influential job and do you indeed give a
00:30:21.389 --> 00:30:27.389
damn what people think of you while I
think my influences greatly exaggerated
00:30:27.389 --> 00:30:29.249
but I'm happy that people feel that way
00:30:29.249 --> 00:30:38.659
laws marketers I really don't care what
they say many years you know taking a
00:30:38.659 --> 00:30:44.419
few swings a number of theater people
and their shows so if they want to swing
00:30:44.419 --> 00:30:48.269
back I think that's only fair and it
doesn't bother me at all like I like to
00:30:48.269 --> 00:30:53.369
give and take it in the badly you think
that's all part of the fun of company
00:30:53.369 --> 00:30:58.679
Broadway and what people think of me you
know i three companies myself and I have
00:30:58.679 --> 00:31:04.119
a thick skin and I so go my own way in
the world that people can elect pure
00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:07.600
hate knee-jerk say what they want to
become essentially having a book on that
00:31:07.600 --> 00:31:12.730
because you know people are reviewing it
so I was like to be reviewed which is
00:31:12.730 --> 00:31:17.580
which is an interesting perspective on
life but I would never I would never
00:31:17.580 --> 00:31:22.139
hold it against anyone who was upset at
me for something because I I can be a
00:31:22.139 --> 00:31:31.019
little devilish ways you can try to calm
down calm lie or a book I wrote and you
00:31:31.019 --> 00:31:36.039
can't have your mind will be a
satisfactory this are people looking
00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:40.240
like they say they are writers make it
fun and interesting lively and often in
00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:44.740
our business and interesting likely
gossip that is not terribly flattering
00:31:44.740 --> 00:31:50.929
subject it's funny to me how you used
the phrase take a swing at because you
00:31:50.929 --> 00:31:52.130
didn't you have a
00:31:52.130 --> 00:31:58.750
11 of those no i didnt say I'm not not a
fine don't do the recipient of the
00:31:58.750 --> 00:32:04.570
specific I was the recipient of the
swing from David Leveaux who was upset
00:32:04.570 --> 00:32:09.080
at the way I covered his presbyterian
00:32:09.080 --> 00:32:18.220
revival of and it wasn't a swinger since
the show off my makeup that's funny all
00:32:18.220 --> 00:32:27.190
of you and wanted becoming friends
because I think I don't take it too
00:32:27.190 --> 00:32:33.020
seriously and I make a joke about all of
them when they are just trying to be the
00:32:33.020 --> 00:32:37.600
first to laugh at myself which probably
I guess is disarming to them I was very
00:32:37.600 --> 00:32:44.110
surprised there was a book party the
last week when the book came out and
00:32:44.110 --> 00:32:50.620
looked around then and heavy hitters
from the Euro world where their purpose
00:32:50.620 --> 00:32:54.210
like a big day opening night or
something I would rather cut this isn't
00:32:54.210 --> 00:33:02.480
room for people pretending to like I
wanted to get back to the shirts for
00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:07.800
just a second just to clarify something
because you had we talking about the
00:33:07.800 --> 00:33:12.640
enormous amount of money that the
schubert or are worth these days and I
00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:16.250
wanted to point out the schubert
organization which runs and produces the
00:33:16.250 --> 00:33:19.790
theaters and things like that is
actually owned by the Shubert foundation
00:33:19.790 --> 00:33:25.600
and the foundation that money makes its
way through the theaters to the
00:33:25.600 --> 00:33:31.520
foundation and the foundation is
responsible for putting out grants every
00:33:31.520 --> 00:33:37.920
year of millions and millions of dollars
so it's a it's sorry I was just gonna
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:42.170
say that the money makes it back into
support for non-profit professional
00:33:42.170 --> 00:33:46.350
theater and dance companies all around
the United States just to let a lot of
00:33:46.350 --> 00:33:50.460
our listeners to think that no they just
pocket this money and go out and you
00:33:50.460 --> 00:33:53.180
know they might do it other
organizations but specifically
00:33:53.180 --> 00:33:54.300
Schubert's
00:33:54.300 --> 00:34:01.310
a lot of money makes it back its
arrangement that is unique in the
00:34:01.310 --> 00:34:05.710
history of nonprofit and charitable
foundations of trying to get too
00:34:05.710 --> 00:34:08.500
technical lot of the history of its
interesting yes you are right the
00:34:08.500 --> 00:34:12.360
schubert organization which is a
multi-million dollar or profit company
00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:19.230
is not owned by any human beings it is
entirely owned by the Shubert foundation
00:34:19.230 --> 00:34:26.310
which is a non-profit entity that doles
out grants to arts organizations around
00:34:26.310 --> 00:34:27.980
the company now
00:34:27.980 --> 00:34:34.400
Foundation was set up by me and Jay Jay
Schubert original timber brothers in
00:34:34.400 --> 00:34:37.470
honor of their brother Sam Schubert who
really found a company but it was still
00:34:37.470 --> 00:34:42.950
very young a training accident and they
set up this to stagnation in memory of
00:34:42.950 --> 00:34:49.250
stamps right business back in the
nineteen twenties over time that
00:34:49.250 --> 00:34:53.530
foundation as it did for many
corporations back in those days ahead
00:34:53.530 --> 00:34:59.570
nonprofit arms that foundation became a
very convenient place to hide money from
00:34:59.570 --> 00:35:05.120
the IRS because remember the IRS was not
patrolling the way they can back that
00:35:05.120 --> 00:35:10.440
the foundation just became a place to
dump a lot of cash that never went to
00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:17.550
the government's and in the seventies
the in the sixties the IRS began to
00:35:17.550 --> 00:35:22.980
realize that such places as Ford
Foundation were completely connected to
00:35:22.980 --> 00:35:28.450
the for profit for the Johnson and
Johnson Foundation completely connected
00:35:28.450 --> 00:35:35.630
to the jobs in adjusting and what the
IRS realized was that the corporations
00:35:35.630 --> 00:35:40.770
were finally a lot of money and highly
advise foundations and the IRS and
00:35:40.770 --> 00:35:47.270
government passed a law that forced
every foundation and for-profit company
00:35:47.270 --> 00:35:52.500
to part ways today the Ford Foundation
has absolutely nothing to do with motor
00:35:52.500 --> 00:35:56.760
company Johnson and Johnson Foundation
has nothing to do with the johnson
00:35:56.760 --> 00:36:02.610
Johnson Pharmaceutical Research
Foundation still owns the for-profit
00:36:02.610 --> 00:36:07.350
Shubert foundation so on the for-profit
organization and why is this because
00:36:07.350 --> 00:36:07.770
they were
00:36:07.770 --> 00:36:11.770
flying under the radar it was kind of a
small company the IRS wasn't paying
00:36:11.770 --> 00:36:16.070
attention and in the seventies body
injury being warriors realized they had
00:36:16.070 --> 00:36:21.190
a problem if the government finds out
what's going on they can break this
00:36:21.190 --> 00:36:29.440
company and burn injury petition the IRS
saying they may be arguments at Peters
00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:34.500
perilous and lots of ups and downs and
that neither of which were not landmark
00:36:34.500 --> 00:36:38.920
then easily torn down and made into
parking lots and that the foundation
00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:45.630
purpose was to maintain the Shubert
theaters and only the foundation could
00:36:45.630 --> 00:36:50.160
do that and if you separate the
foundation from the theaters those
00:36:50.160 --> 00:36:54.240
dealers very likely could be sold off
controlling down and it can only be held
00:36:54.240 --> 00:37:00.150
together as theaters by this nonprofit
foundation and the IRS and yes I have no
00:37:00.150 --> 00:37:04.770
idea how to get to this day
00:37:04.770 --> 00:37:10.280
foundation is the only non-profit
company in America that controls a multi
00:37:10.280 --> 00:37:15.150
$1,000,000 for-profit company and i was
just going to say I have heard I have no
00:37:15.150 --> 00:37:18.600
idea if this is true but it certainly
sounds like it could be someone quoted
00:37:18.600 --> 00:37:23.920
one of the majors Schubert higher-ups as
having said there's no profit like
00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:31.990
nonprofit it's something that actually
carry schoenfeld used to say that
00:37:31.990 --> 00:37:38.740
there's no probably like any how you
feel about 40 injury they they were very
00:37:38.740 --> 00:37:43.000
successful and they were highly paid
highly paid by the Foundation and they
00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:48.610
lived very comfortable lives that
limousines and and and the concorde and
00:37:48.610 --> 00:37:53.260
Barclay hotel suite and whatnot but as
they always said it and its Jerry always
00:37:53.260 --> 00:38:02.050
reminded me he always said I call you
speak employees of sugar I serve at the
00:38:02.050 --> 00:38:06.240
pleasure of the board of the foundation
they never had any equity in the company
00:38:06.240 --> 00:38:10.990
they never got rich the way jimmy needle
and reduces your own to the theaters and
00:38:10.990 --> 00:38:15.120
arms all his real estate in a richly
Cameron and Mr Cameron Andrew owner
00:38:15.120 --> 00:38:17.390
shows or injury
00:38:17.390 --> 00:38:20.880
ever own a piece of the hit musical even
though the schubert produced
00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:26.029
Dreamgirls and cats phantom always big
shows they never on any of the real
00:38:26.029 --> 00:38:31.529
estate they never on any of the theaters
they were and they always said employees
00:38:31.529 --> 00:38:37.730
and no one can ever imagine that you
were here you might still work if you
00:38:37.730 --> 00:38:41.529
are a few organizations you serve at the
pleasure of the board of the Shubert
00:38:41.529 --> 00:38:47.910
foundation speaking of Jimmy do you ever
think we'll get the Hellinger back I
00:38:47.910 --> 00:38:52.890
don't think so because the way to
contract is set up Jimmy Jimmy gave the
00:38:52.890 --> 00:38:56.519
Hellinger or rented it to be getting to
the church Times Square church where he
00:38:56.519 --> 00:39:01.819
was he was in financial trouble in the
eighties and then eventually be the
00:39:01.819 --> 00:39:06.529
church bought the fear Jimmy does have
the first right to to make a bet on it
00:39:06.529 --> 00:39:12.099
should the church ever sell it but it's
such a thriving church such a thriving
00:39:12.099 --> 00:39:17.849
place this time for church that the only
way I heard they would consider selling
00:39:17.849 --> 00:39:24.349
it if a buyer where to find them a
bigger and even better spot in Times
00:39:24.349 --> 00:39:30.210
Square and that's very hard to do given
the cost of buying anything integrate
00:39:30.210 --> 00:39:39.960
these days so I toys R Us changes our
prayers R Us what's gonna happen at that
00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:47.059
big toys R Us spot have you heard any
rumors I do not look I don't know what's
00:39:47.059 --> 00:39:50.789
going on there somebody some big
corporation will come in and it's too
00:39:50.789 --> 00:39:56.900
good to pass up on the display windows
not be selling somewheres New York Times
00:39:56.900 --> 00:40:08.279
New York Post headquarters there it is a
shame that we can meet anywhere from
00:40:08.279 --> 00:40:09.259
financial trouble
00:40:09.259 --> 00:40:15.710
back then and he was quoted as saying
you yourselves least their site to the
00:40:15.710 --> 00:40:16.299
church
00:40:16.299 --> 00:40:23.430
affair only business ok and I expected
to be at church I'm just not sure why
00:40:23.430 --> 00:40:24.750
they you know
00:40:24.750 --> 00:40:30.300
you know hindsight is 2020 but why they
went from the lease to the actual
00:40:30.300 --> 00:40:35.320
outright sale I guess maybe the church
said we will only stay if you sell it to
00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:39.250
us they had a had a contract with you
knew that allowed them to buy it
00:40:39.250 --> 00:40:51.240
ok well they hired a price tag on land
but I remember talking to a couple of
00:40:51.240 --> 00:40:55.320
employees after he took some hits in the
eighties certainly with a big block of
00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:59.740
legs time in the gym who was up too late
he had the lease on the New Amsterdam
00:40:59.740 --> 00:41:06.510
Theatre back then and new york city
would take a leaf and refurbish it
00:41:06.510 --> 00:41:10.580
caucus huge amount of money retriever
should you don't have the money yet no
00:41:10.580 --> 00:41:16.060
Canon Peter he tried to get how to put
France's there you can get how my old
00:41:16.060 --> 00:41:20.510
friend how to put that I can raise money
to accept the theater and house and
00:41:20.510 --> 00:41:24.050
Jimmy letter after he went to the
theater letter which I have been used
00:41:24.050 --> 00:41:31.080
the book also I got my cab and I was
accosted street theater if there's no
00:41:31.080 --> 00:41:37.820
way I would ever walk on that block let
alone anyone my shows a lot today to
00:41:37.820 --> 00:41:42.820
answer as we know is the flagship of the
Walt Disney Company as a lap again how
00:41:42.820 --> 00:41:44.690
things change
00:41:44.690 --> 00:41:51.200
why he unloaded the Hellinger when he
was when he was really financial trouble
00:41:51.200 --> 00:41:53.800
I talked to some of the employees that
they said you know we were all very
00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:59.590
loyal but the world was going around the
authors if you get another job take it
00:41:59.590 --> 00:42:09.040
because when I survived wow wow can you
imagine I can imagine as I was reading
00:42:09.040 --> 00:42:17.320
your book i I kept on getting the feel
of Tom Wolfe's a novel Bonfire of the
00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:23.500
vanities and Bonfire of the vanities
with a slice of life you know reflected
00:42:23.500 --> 00:42:25.760
upon the eighties in New York City
00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:30.550
and razzle dazzle the battle for
Broadway FL was a reflection of New York
00:42:30.550 --> 00:42:36.530
City in the late sixties early and
seventies it do you think that this
00:42:36.530 --> 00:42:42.200
could be fodder for some sort of
treatment for you know perhaps a movie
00:42:42.200 --> 00:42:51.900
documentary even a play I'm certainly
proud to be compared to the mind my
00:42:51.900 --> 00:42:57.340
models like you know like every other
people I didn't apply online but I had
00:42:57.340 --> 00:43:06.650
Robert Caro and Albert stem and gay
talese in mind when I woke is what I
00:43:06.650 --> 00:43:11.060
admire about them and if you look at
Robert Caro's power broker which is you
00:43:11.060 --> 00:43:19.590
know the great mysteries of new york
city centre Robert Moses powerful public
00:43:19.590 --> 00:43:24.960
official who built highways parks and
all that kind of stuff to make Carol
00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:29.600
human history book he makes all the
characters you know it reads like a
00:43:29.600 --> 00:43:35.710
great rich juicy novel if you read david
has lost and the powers that be about
00:43:35.710 --> 00:43:45.470
all the Greek media he makes all of the
Perry loose who created time the guy who
00:43:45.470 --> 00:43:47.630
created CBS News 9 Now
00:43:47.630 --> 00:43:59.610
really rich characters and as i sat down
to write my book i'm telling a story but
00:43:59.610 --> 00:44:04.570
I don't want it to be an academic and I
was blessed by having the actual path of
00:44:04.570 --> 00:44:09.350
character and your money they were
powerful they you know but in some ways
00:44:09.350 --> 00:44:16.450
but my book is about is about how you
acquire power how you use power and what
00:44:16.450 --> 00:44:22.850
power does to you and so I show how they
acquired the power to use the power and
00:44:22.850 --> 00:44:27.640
ultimately house or affected them and
believe me when they came they did not
00:44:27.640 --> 00:44:33.420
like to be quiet if you don't do what
they told you to do their work but I was
00:44:33.420 --> 00:44:38.410
reached after theatrical characters you
know Michael Bennet in david merrick Joe
00:44:38.410 --> 00:44:38.930
Pass
00:44:38.930 --> 00:44:43.690
and you know it produces we know how
many Asian bird liz mccann tommy tune in
00:44:43.690 --> 00:44:47.040
Antrim Cameron you know they're see
actual characters so they're inherently
00:44:47.040 --> 00:44:52.510
dramatic and compelling figures and
they're in a business where you know one
00:44:52.510 --> 00:44:58.170
senior the biggest of all your biggest
Seattle so that's what I'm trying to
00:44:58.170 --> 00:45:02.380
tell history but through a colorful cast
of characters that I think karen and and
00:45:02.380 --> 00:45:10.890
how much time do well now you know your
recounting of the tony night in which
00:45:10.890 --> 00:45:16.849
Dreamgirls was up against nine is
absolutely really it it really it really
00:45:16.849 --> 00:45:21.750
is in the end of the especially bit the
end of it was so amazing where I won't
00:45:21.750 --> 00:45:29.490
give the whole thing away but we're a
recount is demanded a very strong and he
00:45:29.490 --> 00:45:36.510
wanted to get so many was told that guy
who will readily cherry wood burned
00:45:36.510 --> 00:45:40.200
about precisely so we don't have this
problem and then carry it through the
00:45:40.200 --> 00:45:46.770
actions of the students have been defied
dream girl puts you in the county not
00:45:46.770 --> 00:45:52.079
time for heaven sakes and there must
wait for that attitude but Afghans ya at
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:54.339
Dreamgirls ran twice as long
00:45:54.339 --> 00:46:00.119
so really what's the problem yeah I know
you know Peter as well as I do everybody
00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:09.700
wants a Tony Award go listen i'd be
delighted if it were a mini-series you
00:46:09.700 --> 00:46:14.290
know I have a very good agent and i cant
announcer anything yet there was nothing
00:46:14.290 --> 00:46:20.480
to announce but yeah there's something
there I i dont know I mean I didn't
00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:27.270
write the book mini-series and I like
that I just wrote it because I knew
00:46:27.270 --> 00:46:33.990
these guys and I knew their stories I
knew their struggles and I thought if
00:46:33.990 --> 00:46:39.180
nobody writes this i mean I don't like
to snow was gonna do it I don't think
00:46:39.180 --> 00:46:43.020
anyone else could have put it together
the way did if only because I was there
00:46:43.020 --> 00:46:47.630
to let you know I knew gerry really well
I heard the stories very close to Phil
00:46:47.630 --> 00:46:50.330
Smith who had accompanied with a great
source
00:46:50.330 --> 00:46:55.640
know a lot of the old-time producers who
told me what it was like back days I
00:46:55.640 --> 00:47:00.270
just think if I had written it this
whole period in Broadway history would
00:47:00.270 --> 00:47:03.690
just kind of disappeared and we also say
you know broadway's this multi-billion
00:47:03.690 --> 00:47:12.030
dollar business for a billion dollars
every time we go to sleep at night in
00:47:12.030 --> 00:47:16.220
the struggle of you feel about me you
know you and when they burn injury Diane
00:47:16.220 --> 00:47:20.590
Disney comes on the scene you gonna tell
the next possible when Disney dominate
00:47:20.590 --> 00:47:26.880
you have these big successful shows like
like wicked in Jersey Boys my money and
00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:32.070
I said no that's not for me I am mindful
of something great director michael
00:47:32.070 --> 00:47:35.710
blakemore told him when he wrote his
number called arguments leading England
00:47:35.710 --> 00:47:39.520
which is what a great reader books and
it's about his struggle to make it in
00:47:39.520 --> 00:47:44.550
the London theatre scene and I asked him
any any any errands when he has his
00:47:44.550 --> 00:47:49.940
first West End hit which the day in the
death of Joe egg a subsidiary of the
00:47:49.940 --> 00:47:53.340
second part of your numbers and they
said no because the struggles
00:47:53.340 --> 00:47:58.330
interesting once you made it then it
just becomes how much money on me how
00:47:58.330 --> 00:48:03.820
many houses I'll what my new cars like I
know that's kind of it I don't have much
00:48:03.820 --> 00:48:09.120
to say about how much money Disney and
the people behind which people behind my
00:48:09.120 --> 00:48:14.030
mommy have made in the in the nineties
and the two thousands I was interested
00:48:14.030 --> 00:48:19.990
in a time when broadway the city in
Times Square we're really in trouble and
00:48:19.990 --> 00:48:24.940
how they were turned around and the
impact that influence the contribution
00:48:24.940 --> 00:48:28.930
that Broadway in the people who work on
broadway made to save the city the
00:48:28.930 --> 00:48:34.300
struggle is where the drama is and so
that's such a lie I want to tell maybe
00:48:34.300 --> 00:48:40.570
it might not be a whole book but I'd
love to read a long form story on
00:48:40.570 --> 00:48:43.270
cranberry from you
00:48:43.270 --> 00:48:47.240
well-manicured colorful characters
they're great you know I think they
00:48:47.240 --> 00:48:53.740
actually carried them to work on a
memoir joint memoir and her friend good
00:48:53.740 --> 00:48:58.350
speeches and she's she's great she's a
great storyteller and she really
00:48:58.350 --> 00:49:03.910
concentrating on the struggle when they
came from the world with the success
00:49:03.910 --> 00:49:10.410
Chicago but I leave I'll leave it to
them tell their story I want to read
00:49:10.410 --> 00:49:15.619
something this week which stunned me
into thinking for a few minutes and I'm
00:49:15.619 --> 00:49:20.260
going to read you this little this
little excerpt in church to get your
00:49:20.260 --> 00:49:25.990
feedback on this the quote is I
appreciate that times are tough for
00:49:25.990 --> 00:49:29.950
print media but I think it's both
irresponsible and shortsighted to
00:49:29.950 --> 00:49:33.780
diminish an industry that many consider
to be the lifeblood of New York City
00:49:33.780 --> 00:49:40.270
Broadway publicist Rick miramontez told
deadline that said only to have only
00:49:40.270 --> 00:49:45.170
having to endure Michael read all once a
week will make many of my colleagues and
00:49:45.170 --> 00:49:50.460
clients happy I'm sure how do you get
Rick miramontez to come to your defense
00:49:50.460 --> 00:49:57.270
and let let let everybody in listeners
might not know who rick is set to
00:49:57.270 --> 00:50:01.470
explain your break is that we should say
he was responding to the fact that I
00:50:01.470 --> 00:50:06.789
used to have a column twice a week
monday-friday deposed now I am just a
00:50:06.789 --> 00:50:11.079
private college and was responding to
that change and also responding to the
00:50:11.079 --> 00:50:15.430
fact that the Daily News just completely
devastated its its arts and
00:50:15.430 --> 00:50:19.940
entertainment division laid off 25
people not too long ago is great but the
00:50:19.940 --> 00:50:25.619
cheek we've been friends for years but I
do have to say not quite accurate that
00:50:25.619 --> 00:50:29.549
I've been cut back what has happened
that the posters that we've redesigned
00:50:29.549 --> 00:50:38.910
our section so each day is different to
you so Monday's its travel today is open
00:50:38.910 --> 00:50:44.960
fitness Wednesday's dining Thursday is
relationships and Fridays entertained so
00:50:44.960 --> 00:50:50.369
they've given me a full page on Friday
so I had the same number of words each
00:50:50.369 --> 00:50:54.349
week I had with two columns only now
they come together and one in our
00:50:54.349 --> 00:50:58.890
entertainment section on Friday so in
many ways back to when I started doing
00:50:58.890 --> 00:51:05.559
what I'm gas main page on Friday and
then they split up over time do they
00:51:05.559 --> 00:51:10.210
rely on paper background so I'm
basically the last of the Broadway
00:51:10.210 --> 00:51:14.200
harvesters there's no other not none of
the other newspapers and stan has a
00:51:14.200 --> 00:51:17.329
weekly Broadway column I I'm really in
the end of the law
00:51:17.329 --> 00:51:21.930
line of the walter winchell's dirty
chilled out the insolvency and people
00:51:21.930 --> 00:51:28.959
forget this potential with a break on
Friday your time your account
00:51:28.959 --> 00:51:33.069
discontinued its critical of years ago
when I left the Daily News years ago
00:51:33.069 --> 00:51:36.469
they never replace near the theater
columnist at newsday got rid of its
00:51:36.469 --> 00:51:45.009
intercom along time ago so pretty much
you can stop bein stick me in the last
00:51:45.009 --> 00:51:51.579
column which is i think im sad
expression of newspaper mental covered
00:51:51.579 --> 00:51:58.289
michael thank you for giving us an error
if your time I really appreciate it
00:51:58.289 --> 00:52:04.160
razzle-dazzle the battle for broadway is
available everywhere you can get it and
00:52:04.160 --> 00:52:07.869
Michael we have any book signings where
people can come down and get your
00:52:07.869 --> 00:52:13.279
signature headlines recently Barnes and
Noble and now I'm about to go on a book
00:52:13.279 --> 00:52:17.969
tour so I leave on Wednesday for about a
week and a half to get some of the big
00:52:17.969 --> 00:52:23.269
cities in the west coast so you can see
me and you and the simon schuster
00:52:23.269 --> 00:52:25.709
website that lists all the places
immunity but you can see me in the
00:52:25.709 --> 00:52:31.209
coming weeks Denver San Diego Los
Angeles San Francisco and Portland well
00:52:31.209 --> 00:52:35.930
I will put a link to the same ship she
choose to your website with your
00:52:35.930 --> 00:52:40.259
schedule in our show notes for our
listeners seek it out to see Michael
00:52:40.259 --> 00:52:45.209
please go out and buy this book and
support him because you know the
00:52:45.209 --> 00:52:56.279
newspaper is a very tough he might be
unemployed tomorrow so much money there
00:52:56.279 --> 00:52:58.090
is an absence
00:52:58.090 --> 00:53:06.460
as we talked to Peter from his peer edit
and South of France alright you have a
00:53:06.460 --> 00:53:13.410
great time it will speak to you soon but
I okay so let's do our periodic
00:53:13.410 --> 00:53:17.930
hopefully monthly roundup of television
and film as it relates to Broadway am at
00:53:17.930 --> 00:53:21.920
Tammany news can you give us a run down
some at what's happening with the win is
00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:27.810
well the winds rehearsals are in full
swing you're seeing a lot of publicity
00:53:27.810 --> 00:53:32.400
materials and pictures coming out a lot
of the friends as they're being called
00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:37.930
Dorothy and her friends and costume so
that's always fun there was a little bit
00:53:37.930 --> 00:53:40.530
of news this week in terms of the songs
that are included
00:53:40.530 --> 00:53:44.300
fierstein is reworking to script a
little bit and it looks like there's
00:53:44.300 --> 00:53:49.380
going to be some material incorporated
from the movie the song you can't win
00:53:49.380 --> 00:53:53.310
which was actually cut from the Broadway
version and then some by Michael
00:53:53.310 --> 00:53:57.090
Jackson's scarecrow in the movie that's
gonna be sung by Elijah Kelley is
00:53:57.090 --> 00:54:03.480
playing the Scarecrow into his life so
that's kinda need for people who hate
00:54:03.480 --> 00:54:08.880
people that enjoy the movie version of
the way is to to get to see that also
00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:13.830
something that's a little more suspect
is is the hip hop artist Neos playing
00:54:13.830 --> 00:54:18.100
the 10 man he apparently is writing a
new song for the show we haven't really
00:54:18.100 --> 00:54:21.110
heard where that's going to be
incorporated into the production whether
00:54:21.110 --> 00:54:25.940
that's going to be in the normal looking
narrative of the show or it'll be be be
00:54:25.940 --> 00:54:29.200
something to play the beginning or
during the end credits but neo is
00:54:29.200 --> 00:54:32.860
writing a new song for the winds live
with whatever that means at this point
00:54:32.860 --> 00:54:37.880
so if they read new song will it be
ineligible then that's a good point
00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:42.970
probably it probably would be it's a
it's a little different criteria then
00:54:42.970 --> 00:54:48.940
like the the Oscars had a receipt you
know I'm writing random songs and
00:54:48.940 --> 00:54:52.720
sticking in there just for Oscar
eligibility but I'm sure would be doing
00:54:52.720 --> 00:54:55.800
and that's I hadn't thought about that
aspect of it that's that's pretty
00:54:55.800 --> 00:55:00.010
interesting and remind listeners when do
is going to be playing that is going to
00:55:00.010 --> 00:55:05.420
be December 3rd on NBC it will be live
on the east coast at eight o'clock and
00:55:05.420 --> 00:55:08.810
then tape delayed in the other time zone
00:55:08.810 --> 00:55:14.840
and you know if there's any chance of it
playing internationally I don't know
00:55:14.840 --> 00:55:17.560
they did announce that they would be
they are ready now so it will be
00:55:17.560 --> 00:55:22.690
retiring as they have with Peter Pan and
sound of music but I'm not sure if it'll
00:55:22.690 --> 00:55:27.010
be an international yet I guess that's a
check your local listings kind of
00:55:27.010 --> 00:55:27.620
situation
00:55:27.620 --> 00:55:35.980
alright and upcoming Greece production
gonna be on Fox's it is Fox this when
00:55:35.980 --> 00:55:40.710
starting to take shape we we heard a lot
more about the winds early on the crease
00:55:40.710 --> 00:55:45.150
life is going to be on Fox on January
31st of 2016 so it is rapidly
00:55:45.150 --> 00:55:48.850
approaching we've learned a lot more
about the casting and we're starting to
00:55:48.850 --> 00:55:53.710
be able to glean some information about
what this is gonna look like with the
00:55:53.710 --> 00:55:57.020
casting one of the things that kind of
jumped out at me I get to some of the
00:55:57.020 --> 00:56:02.880
other ones is that David Del Rio who
replaced Robin hey suzie is sunny and in
00:56:02.880 --> 00:56:07.480
the heights on his casting is is great
to have a broad person on there but the
00:56:07.480 --> 00:56:10.900
role he's playing kind of shows you
little bit about where this is going
00:56:10.900 --> 00:56:15.920
he will be playing footsie so if you are
familiar with the stage version you know
00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:20.690
there is no t-bird named Patsy in the
stage version however that is the
00:56:20.690 --> 00:56:25.310
character of Roger how he was named in
the movie version so I think what this
00:56:25.310 --> 00:56:32.190
is telling us is that while the sound of
music live and and Peter Pan live on NBC
00:56:32.190 --> 00:56:36.130
have kind of stuck closer to the stage
versions I have a feeling we're going to
00:56:36.130 --> 00:56:42.020
see more of the of the grease movie from
this now that being said the stage
00:56:42.020 --> 00:56:45.200
gripped Greece gets revived about every
three or four years whenever they bring
00:56:45.200 --> 00:56:48.790
a new revival so who knows what that
means but I thought that was kind of
00:56:48.790 --> 00:56:52.410
interesting in terms of the casting that
they did straight-up go with one of the
00:56:52.410 --> 00:56:56.480
characters names from the movie as
opposed to the stage version we've also
00:56:56.480 --> 00:57:00.600
had some other pretty interesting
Broadway related casting Carly Rae
00:57:00.600 --> 00:57:04.250
Jepsen who did a stand and Cinderella
few years ago we were playing frenchie
00:57:04.250 --> 00:57:08.250
Kelly McLemore from bring it on the
music on Thursday musical she'll be
00:57:08.250 --> 00:57:14.820
playing everybody's favorite cheerleader
yet again patty Simcox Mario Lopez wow
00:57:14.820 --> 00:57:18.910
some Broadway people know him from A
Chorus Line he'll always be AC Slater to
00:57:18.910 --> 00:57:21.400
me he will be fenced Fontaine
00:57:21.400 --> 00:57:26.540
and Noah Robbins who was in the recent I
guess not recent all that much anymore
00:57:26.540 --> 00:57:30.760
but the Broadway revival of the last
decade of Arcadia in the brain Beach
00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:35.010
memoirs he will be playing Eugene so
there's quite a few a broadway
00:57:35.010 --> 00:57:39.330
connections in the cast british pop
singer Jessie J is gonna sing grease is
00:57:39.330 --> 00:57:40.670
the word open the show
00:57:40.670 --> 00:57:46.510
Frankie Valli in the movie there are
still some major parts I haven't been
00:57:46.510 --> 00:57:52.410
cast sunny the t-birds sunny miss lynch
or if they go with the movie version
00:57:52.410 --> 00:57:58.110
again principal McGee hasn't been cashed
cha cha DiGregorio the teen angel
00:57:58.110 --> 00:58:02.840
haven't been cashed yet although there
are rumors for a lot of these characters
00:58:02.840 --> 00:58:06.330
everyone from Nick Jonas to Olivia
Newton John Martin Short are being
00:58:06.330 --> 00:58:10.640
rumored due to have parts in the show so
I'd imagine with rehearsal starting
00:58:10.640 --> 00:58:14.540
somewhere in the first two weeks of
November that we should be getting a
00:58:14.540 --> 00:58:21.700
little more information in the coming
days and weeks and also in the news this
00:58:21.700 --> 00:58:28.700
week is that to talk about the casting
in the Rocky Horror Show Frank yeah Dr
00:58:28.700 --> 00:58:33.180
Fox announced both Greece live in Rocky
Horror pretty much the same time but
00:58:33.180 --> 00:58:38.860
they announced a specific date for
Greece right away in the neg kind of
00:58:38.860 --> 00:58:42.080
never really cemented a date for Rocky
Horror but we did find out this week
00:58:42.080 --> 00:58:47.340
that it's gonna be fall 2016 so little
less than a year from now and they did
00:58:47.340 --> 00:58:52.560
cast Dr Frank N Furter with Laverne Cox
for people who don't know Laverne Cox
00:58:52.560 --> 00:58:57.380
who plays a social person on the new
black and last year she became the first
00:58:57.380 --> 00:59:02.160
transgender person ever nominated for an
Emmy so the casting is is pretty
00:59:02.160 --> 00:59:06.650
interesting for this part and not only
is she an african-american woman but to
00:59:06.650 --> 00:59:12.710
be transgender and play this part of the
sweet transvestite is is pretty cool so
00:59:12.710 --> 00:59:16.480
I'm excited to see what that what that
means for the rest of the casting if
00:59:16.480 --> 00:59:20.200
we're going to base the timetable on
casting for Rocky Horror off the
00:59:20.200 --> 00:59:25.080
timetable for Greece I'd imagine we'd
start to get a few more pieces of
00:59:25.080 --> 00:59:29.000
information of a bigger name people now
that we're about a year out which is
00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:33.550
what Greece did with Julia Hoffman
Vanessa Hudgens and then as we get
00:59:33.550 --> 00:59:34.840
closer some more things
00:59:34.840 --> 00:59:39.440
go out but this is a pretty interesting
first first salvo into the casting so
00:59:39.440 --> 00:59:41.600
it'll be trying to see where they go
from there
00:59:41.600 --> 00:59:45.820
do you think they're gonna push Rocky
Horror later into the evening has a more
00:59:45.820 --> 00:59:51.400
adult thing that family fare well I do I
don't think they can and here's why Fox
00:59:51.400 --> 00:59:55.950
has already said it's gonna be a
two-hour event and for people who
00:59:55.950 --> 01:00:00.120
watched a lot of Fox they know that Fox
only has two hours in prime time they
01:00:00.120 --> 01:00:04.670
only have from eight to 10 and in local
news on Fox's in the local market area
01:00:04.670 --> 01:00:08.080
10 o'clock so they really only have the
eight to ten o'clock time slot unless
01:00:08.080 --> 01:00:13.490
day unless they work something out with
the local markets which I just don't see
01:00:13.490 --> 01:00:18.200
happening that is such a huge issue that
would be unprecedented so I imagine
01:00:18.200 --> 01:00:24.710
we're gonna get an eight to 10 with
strong parental suggestions so mad
01:00:24.710 --> 01:00:31.090
correct me if I'm wrong you grew up in
the in the heart of american the Ohio
01:00:31.090 --> 01:00:38.570
area I did a Columbus Ohio native yes
and is it is it more conservative than
01:00:38.570 --> 01:00:43.500
the East Coast and I wonder what do you
think is there going to be any pushback
01:00:43.500 --> 01:00:49.200
from the affiliates sometimes he
affiliates get crazy not specifically
01:00:49.200 --> 01:00:52.480
Ohio but other television affiliates in
the middle of the country
01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:58.560
push back on things that show yeah I
would say hi was probably not as as
01:00:58.560 --> 01:01:02.230
conservative as some of the other places
more in the central part of the rascal
01:01:02.230 --> 01:01:08.080
yeah and I lived in I did live in Kansas
for a year and that would be far more
01:01:08.080 --> 01:01:12.970
conservative you know it'll be
interesting I think that this is such a
01:01:12.970 --> 01:01:18.550
known property that I think especially
if a time it with Halloween next year
01:01:18.550 --> 01:01:24.200
which they very well might do it might
not get as much pushback but in a vacuum
01:01:24.200 --> 01:01:29.420
I would imagine the the content of Rocky
Horror Show on TV
01:01:29.420 --> 01:01:35.980
would withdraw some higher from certain
parental councils that often make noise
01:01:35.980 --> 01:01:39.590
on things like this I i I just kind of
assumed at this point that Rocky Horror
01:01:39.590 --> 01:01:44.339
so well known that I I would imagine we
would get a whole
01:01:44.339 --> 01:01:52.009
news out of that alright so tell me
about what's happening in for BBC well
01:01:52.009 --> 01:01:57.339
staying with Rocky Horror there is a
current Rocky Horror tour going on in
01:01:57.339 --> 01:02:02.619
the UK and BBC America will be
broadcasting a special production of
01:02:02.619 --> 01:02:07.049
that on Halloween night so it's it's
actually at midnight on Halloween night
01:02:07.049 --> 01:02:10.940
sweats technically November 1st I had to
double check that because the midnight
01:02:10.940 --> 01:02:15.759
thing always serves me for a little but
it is the the current UK touring
01:02:15.759 --> 01:02:20.890
production rocky horror creator Richard
O'Brien is going to actually play the
01:02:20.890 --> 01:02:25.079
narrator in this news got some other
British celebrities to come in and play
01:02:25.079 --> 01:02:30.229
the narrator there's some clips online
of Baby Spice MI bunten doing some of
01:02:30.229 --> 01:02:34.670
the narrator bid in doing a song other
people like Stephen Fry and Anthony Head
01:02:34.670 --> 01:02:39.799
are involved as well so it'll be cool to
kind of get a little look at Rocky
01:02:39.799 --> 01:02:45.910
Horror on TV before we wait for our
American version about a year later
01:02:45.910 --> 01:02:51.059
alright and tell us more about like a
live from Lincoln Center
01:02:51.059 --> 01:02:56.559
some some good stage productions that
have happened recently and coming up
01:02:56.559 --> 01:03:03.079
we've seen in the last few weeks Billy
Elliot live and and showboat from New
01:03:03.079 --> 01:03:07.210
York still with normal this nasa
Williams Lea Salonga Lauren Worsham
01:03:07.210 --> 01:03:11.719
Julian Ovenden you can check your local
listings Billy for Billy Elliot and
01:03:11.719 --> 01:03:16.299
showboat those could still be playing in
your area depending on your PBS schedule
01:03:16.299 --> 01:03:21.210
however coming up on November 13th is
the Broadway production of Act one
01:03:21.210 --> 01:03:27.390
starring Tony Shalhoub Andrew Martin
Santino Fontana the story of MAS heart
01:03:27.390 --> 01:03:34.069
directed in and adapted by James Lapine
so that'll be a good one to see a recent
01:03:34.069 --> 01:03:38.239
broadway show on PBS and that's one of
the great things about live from Lincoln
01:03:38.239 --> 01:03:42.509
Center you really can't get anywhere
else on TV and one of the valuable
01:03:42.509 --> 01:03:46.920
things that PBS provides that you don't
see on any of the other suppose it arts
01:03:46.920 --> 01:03:51.029
channel state have gone by the wayside
on cable television
01:03:51.029 --> 01:03:52.710
all right hand
01:03:52.710 --> 01:03:57.060
we seem to have a lot of Broadway stars
on TV coming up so when she read us
01:03:57.060 --> 01:04:01.740
through some of those yeah I think you
said this is going to come out on on
01:04:01.740 --> 01:04:08.089
Monday October 26 so that means tonight
is the series premiere of Supergirl on
01:04:08.089 --> 01:04:12.930
CBS and while you know you don't hear
think I think of Supergirl is being a
01:04:12.930 --> 01:04:16.390
broadway property they do have a lot of
musical theatre carry-over in this
01:04:16.390 --> 01:04:22.619
starring as Supergirl is Melissa Benoist
who starred in glee and whiplash the
01:04:22.619 --> 01:04:27.410
Academy Award winning film last year but
then some of her peripheral characters
01:04:27.410 --> 01:04:33.470
are are Broadway favorites Jeremy Jordan
who plays one of her coworkers and
01:04:33.470 --> 01:04:38.040
actually one of the first people she
tells that she she is super girl and
01:04:38.040 --> 01:04:43.280
then playing super girls Kryptonian
mother is everybody's favorite Tony
01:04:43.280 --> 01:04:48.130
winner Laura Benanti so so that's a lot
of fun and I will say I have seen the
01:04:48.130 --> 01:04:53.460
the pilot at O'Hare tomorrow night or
Monday night and Laura Benanti as part
01:04:53.460 --> 01:04:57.880
as the mother is a little more involved
than you would think just from Sunday's
01:04:57.880 --> 01:05:02.200
Super Girl methyl so if you are Laura
Benanti fan it'll be it'll be important
01:05:02.200 --> 01:05:09.680
to check this one out then sticking with
CBS airs on CBS CBS tends to be the
01:05:09.680 --> 01:05:13.660
network for whatever reason maybe I
think more shows on CBS tape in New York
01:05:13.660 --> 01:05:18.710
than others but there's a lot of good
Broadway stars always on CBS shows
01:05:18.710 --> 01:05:26.170
especially on The Good Wife the episode
that is going to err on 225th so on
01:05:26.170 --> 01:05:30.440
Sunday the 25th will star Peter
Gallagher he's actually starting as a
01:05:30.440 --> 01:05:35.099
recurring role will be teamed up with
Christine branson's character on a
01:05:35.099 --> 01:05:40.540
physician assisted suicide case and
actually Peter Gallagher is also joining
01:05:40.540 --> 01:05:45.450
the cast of law in order to season in
IndyCar all just recently joined him in
01:05:45.450 --> 01:05:49.359
a recurring role as his son so many
Carla and Peter Gallagher was just seen
01:05:49.359 --> 01:05:52.800
on Broadway in on the 20th century and
other playing father and son on Law and
01:05:52.800 --> 01:05:59.310
Order SVU so always check in with that
there really isn't anything better for
01:05:59.310 --> 01:06:03.760
the TV careers of Broadway performers in
the Law and Order franchise so it's good
01:06:03.760 --> 01:06:06.130
to see that that still happening and
actually on
01:06:06.130 --> 01:06:11.430
this Thursday's episode a Christopher
Sieber from a currently in Matilda and
01:06:11.430 --> 01:06:16.589
then Geneva car currently in hand to God
they will star as you gotta love SVU
01:06:16.589 --> 01:06:23.849
they will star in a Duggar family
inspired episode that it can only be
01:06:23.849 --> 01:06:29.130
equally funny and creepy and in a way
that only as he can do so that's fine
01:06:29.130 --> 01:06:33.559
and dandy Carl will be actually playing
one of the detectives leading up that
01:06:33.559 --> 01:06:38.089
case let it be fun to see them abt
carlin Christopher Sieber will will
01:06:38.089 --> 01:06:46.190
break out in song at some point there's
a couple more shows coming up this dick
01:06:46.190 --> 01:06:49.859
wolf who is the creator of the Law and
Order franchise now that law and order
01:06:49.859 --> 01:06:53.680
for the most part has gone down wound
down other than SVU he started up a
01:06:53.680 --> 01:06:58.400
Chicago series of shows the Chicago Fire
Chicago PDE the third installment
01:06:58.400 --> 01:07:03.779
Chicago med kicks off on november
seventeenth also on NBC and that's going
01:07:03.779 --> 01:07:08.599
to star Colin Donnell are Colin Donnell
I'm sorry oliver plan as a paper
01:07:08.599 --> 01:07:15.559
Merkerson all Broadway fav so that'll be
fun to see them then another shoulda
01:07:15.559 --> 01:07:20.369
just had some big casting announcements
that will start in this summer of 2016
01:07:20.369 --> 01:07:26.000
is a show called brain-dead also on CBS
and that's gonna star Aaron Tveit and
01:07:26.000 --> 01:07:32.420
Nikki M James so some big-time young
Broadway stars transitioning over to TV
01:07:32.420 --> 01:07:37.660
it's said to be a comic thriller that
has Park politics and part medical
01:07:37.660 --> 01:07:43.119
intrigued but it is a a a little bit of
a comedy so I'm hoping that with a show
01:07:43.119 --> 01:07:47.349
titled named brain-dead that we get some
zombies I don't know there hasn't been a
01:07:47.349 --> 01:07:51.670
whole lot released but I'm a big zombie
fans are hoping that Aaron Tveit Niki
01:07:51.670 --> 01:07:59.079
James can end up being zombie hunters in
some form or fashion what about madam
01:07:59.079 --> 01:08:04.369
secretary madam secretary is one that
always has some guest stars it in its
01:08:04.369 --> 01:08:09.430
regular cast you've got one from bebe
neuwirth you've got patina Miller you've
01:08:09.430 --> 01:08:15.400
got Eric Berg and they're always and
Stephanie J blocks husband Sebastian
01:08:15.400 --> 01:08:19.529
Michaelis I don't even know if that's
pronounced correctly than I do
01:08:19.529 --> 01:08:25.009
he's in the castle they've always got a
great Broadway folks in fact if you
01:08:25.009 --> 01:08:29.699
haven't seen it a couple episodes ago it
was kinda bad say that a big
01:08:29.699 --> 01:08:37.489
washingtonDC fundraiser patina Miller
bebe neuwirth and Eric Burdon they
01:08:37.489 --> 01:08:44.569
saying a reworked parody of Billy Joel
song was it for the longest time and it
01:08:44.569 --> 01:08:48.690
was the longest time if you haven't seen
that and you and you like those
01:08:48.690 --> 01:08:53.529
performers which most broadway folks do
that's really cool to check out it's
01:08:53.529 --> 01:08:57.170
kind of nice to see the three of them
harmonizing on a Billy Joel song on
01:08:57.170 --> 01:09:01.029
national television I forgot to ask you
before you know if she commented shot
01:09:01.029 --> 01:09:05.409
New York know they all three of those
Chicago shows are actually shot and in
01:09:05.409 --> 01:09:12.329
Chicago so all of those folks have have
relocated to Chicago for filming ok and
01:09:12.329 --> 01:09:18.230
you'll Patrick Harris's show best time
ever how they doin what do you think
01:09:18.230 --> 01:09:22.429
about it that first episode of you
followed Twitter during that first
01:09:22.429 --> 01:09:30.839
episode you saw everything from high
praise to the worst forms of insults
01:09:30.839 --> 01:09:34.500
that you can imagine for a show but I
think that speaks to what that show
01:09:34.500 --> 01:09:38.940
really is I've checked it out from here
and there but I know a lot of people
01:09:38.940 --> 01:09:42.989
have gone from my parents to people
younger than me that that love the show
01:09:42.989 --> 01:09:50.929
it is such a kooky variety show that has
everything from people jumping off
01:09:50.929 --> 01:09:58.659
buildings with celebrities to random
fathers dancing shirtless to embarrass
01:09:58.659 --> 01:10:03.000
their families on national television
there's that you can do that there you
01:10:03.000 --> 01:10:08.760
go the dad body is very popular right
now James but then I watched an episode
01:10:08.760 --> 01:10:13.980
where a woman was pulled up on stage on
but you know didn't really know what was
01:10:13.980 --> 01:10:19.639
going on and then kneel showed a video
of her boyfriend doing all these crazy
01:10:19.639 --> 01:10:22.579
things that she had no idea that he had
done traveling different parts of the
01:10:22.579 --> 01:10:27.159
country doing little bits and then it
ended up with a proposal on stage so
01:10:27.159 --> 01:10:31.070
it's just a really fun thing he always
seemed to have some sort of nineteen
01:10:31.070 --> 01:10:32.480
seventies disco
01:10:32.480 --> 01:10:38.420
active there everyone from Gloria Gaynor
I think the weather girls saying it's
01:10:38.420 --> 01:10:42.620
raining men at one point so it's been a
really interesting show in the ratings
01:10:42.620 --> 01:10:47.170
have been pretty good they change time
slots which was a lot people just assume
01:10:47.170 --> 01:10:50.000
that's because it wasn't doing one this
time so that was actually always the
01:10:50.000 --> 01:10:55.470
plan was to move from ten o'clock to
eight o'clock when more shows joined the
01:10:55.470 --> 01:11:01.420
schedule but it's done well and it's a
show that was a long shot to have
01:11:01.420 --> 01:11:08.850
success just because of how random it
was it's based on the BBC format a
01:11:08.850 --> 01:11:13.080
variety show the wheaties don't have
here in the united states and it's been
01:11:13.080 --> 01:11:18.010
more successful than I thought it would
be an end anytime you can see Patrick
01:11:18.010 --> 01:11:24.200
Harris on TV I'm I'm fine with that is
he having any focus on Broadway I mean
01:11:24.200 --> 01:11:29.040
they're shooting in New York they are
shooting in New York but I only checked
01:11:29.040 --> 01:11:31.050
in here and there but I haven't heard
anything
01:11:31.050 --> 01:11:36.300
yea or seen anything in the episodes
that I've seen other than having you
01:11:36.300 --> 01:11:41.120
know maybe there might have been a
glorious Stefan was on this past week I
01:11:41.120 --> 01:11:45.580
think I'm sure they mentioned on your
feet coming to broadway but that is far
01:11:45.580 --> 01:11:49.100
as I know that's the closest Broadway
connection they've had so far
01:11:49.100 --> 01:11:55.690
anything that's up-and-coming that we
should learn are there is a lot of good
01:11:55.690 --> 01:11:59.950
stage shows coming to movie theaters
across the country here in the next few
01:11:59.950 --> 01:12:06.170
weeks to celebrate the film version of
Oklahoma 60th anniversary is coming back
01:12:06.170 --> 01:12:13.060
to theaters on November 1st and it's a
little interesting at the beginning I'm
01:12:13.060 --> 01:12:16.590
not sure that I'll be before the curtain
did the scheduled curtain time or maybe
01:12:16.590 --> 01:12:21.760
if you go to see a lot of these things
they often have some some pre features
01:12:21.760 --> 01:12:25.810
going on but twenty winner an emmy
winner and Oklahoma native Kristin
01:12:25.810 --> 01:12:30.320
Chenoweth is gonna be doing some song
performances that were filmed at 54
01:12:30.320 --> 01:12:35.930
below so anytime you are you can see
Kristen saying it's a good thing even if
01:12:35.930 --> 01:12:39.060
it is on on the big screen which we
really haven't gotten a chance to see
01:12:39.060 --> 01:12:43.370
how that much so if you're in Oklahoma
fan definitely check your
01:12:43.370 --> 01:12:47.760
your local theaters to see where that's
playing so that should be pretty cool
01:12:47.760 --> 01:12:52.450
there's been some some videos released
her doing some of the songs had a time
01:12:52.450 --> 01:12:56.410
kind of two to get the word out but that
should be that should be really cool and
01:12:56.410 --> 01:13:03.210
then a couple days later on on November
3rd the West End production the reason
01:13:03.210 --> 01:13:07.330
West End production of The Importance of
Being Earnest starring David Suchet will
01:13:07.330 --> 01:13:11.250
be playing in theaters if you're
unfamiliar with with David Suchet he
01:13:11.250 --> 01:13:17.600
played Hercule Poirot for 25 years i
think is what it was on the BBC's
01:13:17.600 --> 01:13:23.520
Hercule Poirot mysteries he'll be
playing Lady Bracknell which is why
01:13:23.520 --> 01:13:27.160
don't I don't know when that was I think
it was just with the recent the recent
01:13:27.160 --> 01:13:31.180
Broadway revival that came from London
that Lady Bracknell is now always played
01:13:31.180 --> 01:13:34.790
by a man I don't know when that happened
but he will be playing Lady Bracknell
01:13:34.790 --> 01:13:40.540
and then based on the huge success that
happened earlier this fall on November
01:13:40.540 --> 01:13:45.730
10th and tlie National Theatre live is
bringing back Benedict Cumberbatch's
01:13:45.730 --> 01:13:50.730
hamlet from the bar bacondo bearish on
again on November 10th so that's always
01:13:50.730 --> 01:13:54.510
fun I missed it the first time so I was
scrambling to find other times that is
01:13:54.510 --> 01:13:57.320
just coming out and then they eventually
announced that it was coming back to
01:13:57.320 --> 01:14:02.420
tourists so that's fine and then until
I've also has a production of Coriolanus
01:14:02.420 --> 01:14:10.260
that will be coming up this fall as well
I didn't write down the the the date on
01:14:10.260 --> 01:14:16.430
that I'll grab that stars olivier winner
in and marble Dylan Tom will stain and
01:14:16.430 --> 01:14:21.910
Hadley Fraser and that one will be back
to my notes that will be on November 12
01:14:21.910 --> 01:14:25.300
so Coriolanus November 12 and then
finally coming up at the end of November
01:14:25.300 --> 01:14:30.880
on the 30th Shakespeare's The Winter's
Tale starring Dame Judi Dench kenneth
01:14:30.880 --> 01:14:35.030
branaugh and and Hadley Fraser will also
be will be in theaters so a lot of good
01:14:35.030 --> 01:14:40.770
classic theater coming to movie screens
across the country so that's always fun
01:14:40.770 --> 01:14:46.010
and it makes for good night out for
theater fans do you have a roundup on
01:14:46.010 --> 01:14:50.250
broader world that we can point your
listeners to to see what's coming up we
01:14:50.250 --> 01:14:53.730
do we have a stage and screen section
that I think has
01:14:53.730 --> 01:15:00.070
has a calorie counter with all that also
has some some information on the TV
01:15:00.070 --> 01:15:04.330
musicals and stuff as well all rights to
me that link I put it in the show notes
01:15:04.330 --> 01:15:09.290
listening and there's a lot of stuff
that just went by maybe you can get over
01:15:09.290 --> 01:15:14.140
to broader video.com click on the link
and see all the stuff that met in the
01:15:14.140 --> 01:15:18.840
team over burger world has compiled for
what's coming up on TV and film so that
01:15:18.840 --> 01:15:23.280
kinda wraps up the TV and film section
Matt how are your Ohio State Buckeyes
01:15:23.280 --> 01:15:27.040
doing their the number one team in the
country undefeated we've made a
01:15:27.040 --> 01:15:32.700
quarterback change that has made quite
the difference despite having a
01:15:32.700 --> 01:15:36.220
twenty-one game win streak we look like
a brand new team beaten beaten Rutgers
01:15:36.220 --> 01:15:41.700
last night so I apologize any records
alums in the new york listening area but
01:15:41.700 --> 01:15:46.489
we ended up winning was 49 to seven so
we'll take it i mean you know we will
01:15:46.489 --> 01:15:50.640
take it big games coming up Minnesota
Illinois Michigan state-michigan
01:15:50.640 --> 01:15:55.210
shop ended the season you don't use that
word that last one we don't don't use
01:15:55.210 --> 01:16:00.739
that word YM word word is that the
school up north of that team up north we
01:16:00.739 --> 01:16:04.110
never used that word during football
season so I'll forgive you this time
01:16:04.110 --> 01:16:08.830
James you're not a native Ohio and so
will overlook it will you be my Penn
01:16:08.830 --> 01:16:14.160
State Nittany Lions pretty good 38 ends
up there are quite a few BroadwayWorld
01:16:14.160 --> 01:16:19.920
staffers who are either we have our
Managing Editor nicole is a broadway
01:16:19.920 --> 01:16:26.250
Penn State alarm and our features editor
Karen robbins her daughter is a freshman
01:16:26.250 --> 01:16:30.750
at Penn State so we had some fun
conference calls leading up to that game
01:16:30.750 --> 01:16:35.140
so I tried not to rub it in too much
afterwards
01:16:35.140 --> 01:16:39.870
Matt well thanks so much for joining us
on Friday video and you know come back
01:16:39.870 --> 01:16:41.810
in November and tell us what's going on
01:16:41.810 --> 01:16:46.720
anytime you want ok so let's get into
our reviews for the morning Michael and
01:16:46.720 --> 01:16:50.470
Peter both got a chance to check out to
the Paper Mill Playhouse in Millburn New
01:16:50.470 --> 01:16:56.550
Jersey and see bandstand so cute when
she shot herself with that well this is
01:16:56.550 --> 01:17:02.110
the world's first post traumatic stress
disorder musical it is it it deals with
01:17:02.110 --> 01:17:03.580
a guy who comes back
01:17:03.580 --> 01:17:07.410
from the war and who might you
01:17:07.410 --> 01:17:13.420
yes good point I would actually is too
many was good price that we have been
01:17:13.420 --> 01:17:17.280
part of the point of it is that people
didn't really use that term that that's
01:17:17.280 --> 01:17:22.230
fair that's exactly right that didn't
look to the vietnam was so this is a
01:17:22.230 --> 01:17:26.610
nice reminder that people came back from
any war we're having trouble readjusting
01:17:26.610 --> 01:17:34.000
and where most conservative Nina Ricci
who wants to start a band and become
01:17:34.000 --> 01:17:38.850
successful and that's part of the
problem it's much more about his morning
01:17:38.850 --> 01:17:45.220
success than it is about his coming to
terms with what happened in the war now
01:17:45.220 --> 01:17:49.840
some of the other members of the band
camp problems too
01:17:49.840 --> 01:17:53.770
as a result of being in more and we
touch upon those very very lightly
01:17:53.770 --> 01:17:57.830
because most of the time spent about
this guy wanting to get ahead here and
01:17:57.830 --> 01:18:02.090
be very much a Robert De Niro's
character Jimmy Doyle in new york new
01:18:02.090 --> 01:18:05.560
york the type of guy who will not take
no for an answer the guy you must have
01:18:05.560 --> 01:18:07.240
everything his own way
01:18:07.240 --> 01:18:13.940
well anyway he also had a buddy who died
in the law and now he goes to meet the
01:18:13.940 --> 01:18:19.430
widow and decides that she's going to be
in the Bantu so and he's much more
01:18:19.430 --> 01:18:24.520
concerned about the fact that she be
there and be a good singer
01:18:24.520 --> 01:18:31.010
the news about her concerns that she has
as a war widow now I think they're
01:18:31.010 --> 01:18:33.530
missing a great opportunity here and I'm
gonna tell you what I think should
01:18:33.530 --> 01:18:40.230
happen right away it should be much more
about his wanting to help her and her
01:18:40.230 --> 01:18:44.120
mother by the way that level playing a
very small world but playing it well
01:18:44.120 --> 01:18:48.980
laura is this by the way is very good
but she doesn't have all that much to do
01:18:48.980 --> 01:18:54.350
either as the war widow know we're
really concerned about to honey and he's
01:18:54.350 --> 01:18:59.150
played by Corey Clark wonderfully a
galvanic only find performance nothing
01:18:59.150 --> 01:19:03.510
wrong with what he's doing it's what
he's been given to say that's the
01:19:03.510 --> 01:19:04.080
problem
01:19:04.080 --> 01:19:09.270
ok well here's the thing and my
suggestion would be that he budge be
01:19:09.270 --> 01:19:12.119
much more concerned about helping
01:19:12.119 --> 01:19:17.219
the war widow and mother and it will be
such an easy thing to do because what
01:19:17.219 --> 01:19:20.929
they could stress is these women had
jobs during the law and now suddenly
01:19:20.929 --> 01:19:26.999
they don't because men have come back
from the war and so if you wanted to be
01:19:26.999 --> 01:19:32.169
noble and use the success of the ban to
help their I think that would be a very
01:19:32.169 --> 01:19:39.070
very good move for the show music spine
Richard over a very good composure and
01:19:39.070 --> 01:19:42.959
he and rubber tailored to the book and
lyrics which I as i say less successful
01:19:42.959 --> 01:19:48.309
I'm getting a little tired of seeing
this unit said at Paper Mill is the
01:19:48.309 --> 01:19:53.119
third show in a row it's almost the same
set things that come out of the wings
01:19:53.119 --> 01:20:02.280
and little things to come dropout pop
out here and there so so it's anybody
01:20:02.280 --> 01:20:08.159
Bueller directed very slickly in moves
very very well there is dancing
01:20:08.159 --> 01:20:13.409
the Jitterbug nature that's pretty much
what you'd expect to see its not
01:20:13.409 --> 01:20:20.820
inspired but it's right so that's
perfectly in tune to so there's one band
01:20:20.820 --> 01:20:27.379
member who has really the most severe
problem and he's handled very very
01:20:27.379 --> 01:20:34.389
beautifully in the show and I become
more interested in him because I'm
01:20:34.389 --> 01:20:37.599
concerned about his problems in getting
over it
01:20:37.599 --> 01:20:45.389
while johnnie seems to be over it and
that's so I wanna give a shoutout to Jo
01:20:45.389 --> 01:20:47.999
Carol plays that part
01:20:47.999 --> 01:20:52.309
very very nicely and the fact that I'm
drunk anymore than Donnie says that
01:20:52.309 --> 01:20:57.669
there is something wrong with the show
it is fixable I hope they fix it but we
01:20:57.669 --> 01:21:01.959
got to care more about this guy we've
got to care more about this girl and it
01:21:01.959 --> 01:21:05.669
can't just be about making it in show
business
01:21:05.669 --> 01:21:11.289
alright Michael what did you think I
agree with every word P nearly a while I
01:21:11.289 --> 01:21:15.969
here's an interesting fact it's
interesting what you hear when you you
01:21:15.969 --> 01:21:20.209
know people hear people talk who are in
the know do you know peter that
01:21:20.209 --> 01:21:24.739
apparently when we saw the show I
believe it was just about two and a half
01:21:24.739 --> 01:21:25.330
hours
01:21:25.330 --> 01:21:31.850
including the intermissions that cracks
as of like two nights before it was
01:21:31.850 --> 01:21:33.050
three hours
01:21:33.050 --> 01:21:37.470
Italy's yes and someone made an absolute
point of that because they had seen it
01:21:37.470 --> 01:21:43.980
more than once at three hours so they
really did major surgery and I guess
01:21:43.980 --> 01:21:49.440
that when it's done that quickly you
know that can result that can be a
01:21:49.440 --> 01:21:53.630
suggestion but it can also result in in
certain things that might have been
01:21:53.630 --> 01:22:00.150
smooth over if they had some more time I
yeah I i basically agree about the Corey
01:22:00.150 --> 01:22:04.270
Cott character I thought he was although
i hasten the same still much more
01:22:04.270 --> 01:22:11.640
likable than 20 in new york new york all
yeah yeah oh yeah yeah we've discussed
01:22:11.640 --> 01:22:19.630
oh yeah I I really liked the show in the
beginning and for most of the first act
01:22:19.630 --> 01:22:24.660
I bought anti-black if you work with
stellar I also like the way the
01:22:24.660 --> 01:22:32.380
songwriters to me the music was passed
ishi when in need you know it was it was
01:22:32.380 --> 01:22:38.480
creditably past ishi it did sound to me
like you know more or less like music of
01:22:38.480 --> 01:22:42.770
the time the swing and then the the pop
music of ww2
01:22:42.770 --> 01:22:49.710
post-war world war two era but there
were a couple of numbers that we're out
01:22:49.710 --> 01:22:55.480
of time and they were much less
effective I thought bets level had one
01:22:55.480 --> 01:23:00.250
or two of those I got the impression
harking back to what I just said that
01:23:00.250 --> 01:23:05.620
maybe her role had been considerably
larger I don't know that for sure but it
01:23:05.620 --> 01:23:11.550
seemed like she did not really don't
have that much to do and I thought that
01:23:11.550 --> 01:23:17.900
I love the idea of the show and I love
the art of it and the basic idea but I
01:23:17.900 --> 01:23:23.700
think that the lyrics themselves were
really not that great and including
01:23:23.700 --> 01:23:30.360
using expressions and terms that are
really not of the period and that always
01:23:30.360 --> 01:23:32.440
took me out of it if you're going to
01:23:32.440 --> 01:23:37.219
deal with PTSD I think that's fantastic
I think that's a worthy subject but the
01:23:37.219 --> 01:23:42.680
way they did it sounded like they were
doing it and you know in a 21st century
01:23:42.680 --> 01:23:53.630
way not not not in their mid 20 it so I
do agree completely flicks fixable if
01:23:53.630 --> 01:23:58.050
they could just make it have another
pass it and take more time 1906 you
01:23:58.050 --> 01:24:02.680
notice that La Russa's character and you
know I always love her she's just great
01:24:02.680 --> 01:24:10.390
but noticed that every idea that that
Danny Don excuse me
01:24:10.390 --> 01:24:16.070
Nowitzki came up with every single idea
he came up with she said no she was so
01:24:16.070 --> 01:24:20.890
everything even though I mean it's one
thing for her to do not agree to change
01:24:20.890 --> 01:24:27.719
her last name even though it's Trojan
yeah you know which one was when did you
01:24:27.719 --> 01:24:31.210
ever hear of anyone whose last name was
Trojan that took me out of it too but
01:24:31.210 --> 01:24:37.370
her married name of her dead husband is
is Trojans so she doesn't want to change
01:24:37.370 --> 01:24:41.469
it because it's her dead husband as you
remember and so I can understand her not
01:24:41.469 --> 01:24:46.260
wanting to change that name even though
it is that name but then every every
01:24:46.260 --> 01:24:50.370
idea he had about forming the band
moving it forward to how they were going
01:24:50.370 --> 01:24:56.860
to proceed she was no no no no no no no
and then every time he would make some
01:24:56.860 --> 01:25:01.770
moves that indicated that he was
interested in her she was very negative
01:25:01.770 --> 01:25:06.060
about that and then every single thing
that she said no to that she changed her
01:25:06.060 --> 01:25:10.120
mind in like a scene or two later so I
think they really need to work on that
01:25:10.120 --> 01:25:11.440
character a little bit more
01:25:11.440 --> 01:25:18.090
well also quote three lines here ok from
her if you're going to be a bandleader
01:25:18.090 --> 01:25:20.750
you going to have to learn how to talk
to people
01:25:20.750 --> 01:25:24.550
parents should one the kids about people
like you you have a habit of saying
01:25:24.550 --> 01:25:29.640
things the wrong way now and again you
know we are hearing somebody's
01:25:29.640 --> 01:25:33.360
observation here on those three of them
01:25:33.360 --> 01:25:38.630
and they were all negative in terms of
who he is and unfortunately she also has
01:25:38.630 --> 01:25:45.970
deployed in the fact that he is hard to
to take I want to Safeway Robert New
01:25:45.970 --> 01:25:49.740
Year by the way leads me to something
completely different and before I forget
01:25:49.740 --> 01:25:52.650
I really want to mention this because I
think this will be of interest to people
01:25:52.650 --> 01:25:58.540
you may know that when John Kander and
Fred ebb Road New York New York for the
01:25:58.540 --> 01:26:02.250
movies that Robert DeNiro and Liza
Minnelli would be in the narrow said
01:26:02.250 --> 01:26:06.690
they came into the sauna and analysis
that's not that's no good you can do
01:26:06.690 --> 01:26:10.390
better than that and they went they
wrote the song we know you're actually
01:26:10.390 --> 01:26:15.560
have the opportunity to thank for that
song we note however harbinger records
01:26:15.560 --> 01:26:21.620
is putting out a set of John Kander
demos and recording extend what will be
01:26:21.620 --> 01:26:25.960
on that album will be the original New
York New York so we will have a chance
01:26:25.960 --> 01:26:30.210
to hear whether or not that New York he
ought to song we like better which I
01:26:30.210 --> 01:26:35.730
guess is doubtful but anyway you'll have
a chance to hear what they came up with
01:26:35.730 --> 01:26:42.860
before I go back to work I know that's a
complete getting away from what we're
01:26:42.860 --> 01:26:46.250
talking about now apologize but I would
think that would be of interest cuz I'm
01:26:46.250 --> 01:26:51.710
looking forward to hearing that song yes
and one final thing on danced and I
01:26:51.710 --> 01:26:59.480
completely agree about Joe Carroll he
was so so compelling so appealing in
01:26:59.480 --> 01:27:04.050
that role and it was I think it was a
very well-written role so yes on both
01:27:04.050 --> 01:27:10.000
counts so the ban stance playing at the
Paper Mill Playhouse in Millburn New
01:27:10.000 --> 01:27:15.450
Jersey through November 8th and believe
they will get a chance to rework that
01:27:15.450 --> 01:27:20.010
and we'll see it again on another stage
may be on this side of the river or what
01:27:20.010 --> 01:27:24.880
it's worth it seems to me that it has
gotten very good response overall
01:27:24.880 --> 01:27:31.510
considerably better than what Peter and
I just said so but we have we spare I'll
01:27:31.510 --> 01:27:40.050
see what were you there at the opening
yes yeah ok re going crazy right next to
01:27:40.050 --> 01:27:44.310
up my Kolkata will be to the Ars Nova
theater to see Romance language so
01:27:44.310 --> 01:27:45.650
Michael want to tell us about
01:27:45.650 --> 01:27:52.340
this is another frequent case ever
played that had a really good concept
01:27:52.340 --> 01:27:58.320
but the execution was unfortunately not
as good as it could have been a new play
01:27:58.320 --> 01:28:08.320
by Joe Godfrey three-person cast we have
Audrey Hepburn in Meijer playing hey who
01:28:08.320 --> 01:28:19.100
is a middle aged obviously welty
Manhattan woman decides that she is
01:28:19.100 --> 01:28:25.830
going to get back into life and the way
she decides to do that is she hires a
01:28:25.830 --> 01:28:32.270
very attractive young man to give her
Italian lessons in her home and her
01:28:32.270 --> 01:28:37.120
husband by the way is dead but they had
been separated or divorced I can
01:28:37.120 --> 01:28:43.630
remember now before his death so that
there are a lot of issues involved in
01:28:43.630 --> 01:28:51.050
that especially when case daughter Penny
so wassup played by Marion leave and by
01:28:51.050 --> 01:28:55.870
the way the young Italian structure is
your day and he's played by jareds are
01:28:55.870 --> 01:29:02.840
really in a really amazing performance
Jared's are really I've seen in a few
01:29:02.840 --> 01:29:10.340
other things just a few he was pretty
fealty which I didn't like that so much
01:29:10.340 --> 01:29:15.410
but he was great in that also he I i
dont know I mean his name sounds Italian
01:29:15.410 --> 01:29:19.460
so I imagine he see he's got the
background but his accent really sounded
01:29:19.460 --> 01:29:27.960
absolutely perfect to me and he looked
at part just great so in a nutshell what
01:29:27.960 --> 01:29:36.150
happens is that ok and fury wind up
becoming attracted to each other she
01:29:36.150 --> 01:29:41.110
actually makes the first move in
inviting him to to the opera with her
01:29:41.110 --> 01:29:46.960
and he's very happy to do that it's the
point is maybe he you know he did not
01:29:46.960 --> 01:29:50.230
have a lot of money and he doesn't
really have a full-time job is just
01:29:50.230 --> 01:29:52.540
giving these Italian lessons
01:29:52.540 --> 01:29:56.170
so they start to become close even
though there's quite a bit of an age
01:29:56.170 --> 01:30:00.080
difference in and then the daughter
shows up and immediately assumes that
01:30:00.080 --> 01:30:05.720
you re is a gigolo and it's just after
her mother's money so the balkan the
01:30:05.720 --> 01:30:10.640
play is trying to figure out whether or
not that is true but it's complicated by
01:30:10.640 --> 01:30:16.190
the fact that it turns out that many the
daughter has a lot of daddy issues a lot
01:30:16.190 --> 01:30:21.380
of issues in the regarding these failed
relationship with her mother and her now
01:30:21.380 --> 01:30:26.660
dead father so so actually the good
thing about the play is that we really
01:30:26.660 --> 01:30:34.770
don't know and even at the end we are
not entirely sure if you re is a gigolo
01:30:34.770 --> 01:30:41.370
or if the daughter is has engineered
things and and maybe lied about things
01:30:41.370 --> 01:30:46.980
in order to shoot try to get him out of
her mother's life and I really like that
01:30:46.980 --> 01:30:51.900
very much I just thought it was quite
repetitive and could have been shorter
01:30:51.900 --> 01:31:00.030
and some of the dialogue was was rather
clunky but here again not unfixable and
01:31:00.030 --> 01:31:05.570
I i do look forward to more work by Joe
Godfrey I just think maybe maybe some
01:31:05.570 --> 01:31:10.660
more so more time spent a few have few
more drafts through which would really
01:31:10.660 --> 01:31:21.340
improve it alright so Romance language
is a Torsen over on 54th Street and it's
01:31:21.340 --> 01:31:25.930
also running through November 8 so check
it out if this interests you are Peter
01:31:25.930 --> 01:31:32.070
and Michael got a chance to see trip of
love at stage 42 which is the former
01:31:32.070 --> 01:31:33.920
little sugar is that correct
01:31:33.920 --> 01:31:38.930
get the correct and so both the you got
a chance to see its appeal to start us
01:31:38.930 --> 01:31:47.330
off with that well because the baby
boomers were busy in a youth with sex
01:31:47.330 --> 01:31:53.140
drugs rocknroll and and political
concerns they passed up scene shows
01:31:53.140 --> 01:31:59.180
nightclubs like the Latin Quarter the
coke diamond horseshoe you know so now
01:31:59.180 --> 01:32:02.170
those places are long gone but will miss
him now
01:32:02.170 --> 01:32:07.340
late middle aged and that's probably
euphemism so they feel they miss
01:32:07.340 --> 01:32:11.430
something by not going to Latin Quarter
the Cobra the diamond horseshoe they
01:32:11.430 --> 01:32:16.920
have a second chance to see a showgirl
studded review and you have to pay the
01:32:16.920 --> 01:32:21.560
dividend charge of the two drink minimum
a trip of love when you look at the
01:32:21.560 --> 01:32:26.370
directors don't you see the problem
immediately with this show because he
01:32:26.370 --> 01:32:29.270
starts talking about you know when I
never abused anyone these three times
01:32:29.270 --> 01:32:33.590
like bubbling brown sugar and those were
the good old days ok
01:32:33.590 --> 01:32:39.120
the very next paragraph and i'm quoting
now there was a time when broadway was
01:32:39.120 --> 01:32:50.310
filled with review style shows fun ok
now then he says oh right ok
01:32:50.310 --> 01:32:58.680
yes ship of love follows a young girl
and her dream after falling down the
01:32:58.680 --> 01:33:05.590
rabbit hole and taking a magic mushroom
the cast of characters and the story is
01:33:05.590 --> 01:33:11.820
her creation and her dream ok now when
when you start saying it's to review
01:33:11.820 --> 01:33:17.240
review in Plaistow story then you talk
about the story that they've created you
01:33:17.240 --> 01:33:21.630
know what it is this reviewer's you know
and so that dichotomy is really a big
01:33:21.630 --> 01:33:27.040
problem because if you could have pulled
me out and grab hold of the magic
01:33:27.040 --> 01:33:30.650
mushroom it just seemed like review to
me one song after the other
01:33:30.650 --> 01:33:36.980
the one thing I do want to point out
about your loved is that unlike smoky
01:33:36.980 --> 01:33:43.030
joe's cafe we went new basically saw a
back wall of the fire escape and little
01:33:43.030 --> 01:33:48.470
says building on here in there wow did
they throw money at this thing I'll tell
01:33:48.470 --> 01:33:55.600
you virtually every scene has a
completely different backdrop much
01:33:55.600 --> 01:34:03.170
racemes electronic and wow i mean it's
not really that it not sure eyes out as
01:34:03.170 --> 01:34:06.780
much as you say wow they really spend
money they didn't they
01:34:06.780 --> 01:34:12.460
so it's not cheap to standard cost
eleven million dollars I'm not saying
01:34:12.460 --> 01:34:17.490
I'm right about that but that's what
I've heard so it doesn't look like 11
01:34:17.490 --> 01:34:22.360
million to me I'll tell you but
nevertheless it it certainly was not
01:34:22.360 --> 01:34:26.820
done on the cheap when it could have
been we wouldn't start anything of
01:34:26.820 --> 01:34:32.260
having lunch let's set and people coming
out he singing one song after the other
01:34:32.260 --> 01:34:41.230
the people of especially a woman named
Lori wells sure looks sort of looks like
01:34:41.230 --> 01:34:47.470
started shaving yeah I thought so funny
you know I mean looking like stockard
01:34:47.470 --> 01:34:48.000
channing
01:34:48.000 --> 01:34:54.140
younger and for the fixture list but you
know i mean anyway she has a very nice
01:34:54.140 --> 01:34:58.990
voice very soldiers are very nice way
about her and she has to sing songs like
01:34:58.990 --> 01:35:01.280
both sides now
01:35:01.280 --> 01:35:05.570
the windows of your mind because we are
going back into that era of the baby
01:35:05.570 --> 01:35:10.659
boomers songs but they're not
particularly done in the way that we we
01:35:10.659 --> 01:35:14.869
heard them on the recordings sometimes
yes sometimes no and you expect that
01:35:14.869 --> 01:35:23.960
from our review she's very good if you
go away but here's the thing now if you
01:35:23.960 --> 01:35:30.409
go away she singing and above her on
platforms are two men who stripped down
01:35:30.409 --> 01:35:36.690
to their skivvies you know I guess not
going away and I mean they've gotten
01:35:36.690 --> 01:35:41.699
this invitation from her you know so but
no sooner they get down to their tighty
01:35:41.699 --> 01:35:46.880
whities relation address again I don't
know if that means that they just
01:35:46.880 --> 01:35:50.239
finished and wham bam thank you ma'am
you know they just finished I don't know
01:35:50.239 --> 01:35:55.500
what is supposed to mean I but you know
again is just a dream you know so and
01:35:55.500 --> 01:36:00.360
that such a convenient thing to do
because in a dream anything ever
01:36:00.360 --> 01:36:03.780
happened and that's where you can
justify you know I can see people going
01:36:03.780 --> 01:36:07.860
up to this James Wolski and say well
this doesn't make says hayes just a
01:36:07.860 --> 01:36:15.110
dream you know and that way you get away
with it so a woman comes on as soon as
01:36:15.110 --> 01:36:21.280
you don't own me and we don't know who
you is but then I guess you comes on and
01:36:21.280 --> 01:36:25.739
for a few seconds she sings to him and
then he sings what becomes of the
01:36:25.739 --> 01:36:29.440
brokenhearted so I guess he's broken
hearted and but either from on his side
01:36:29.440 --> 01:36:36.250
of her sides of it it's it's not as
terrible as I'm making a sound really
01:36:36.250 --> 01:36:40.980
isn't you know I mean it just it just
sits there you you said you watch you
01:36:40.980 --> 01:36:45.989
listen you go home I was at a party the
other night and a woman came up to me
01:36:45.989 --> 01:36:50.070
told me she'd seems that the old songs
again and if you can go with that
01:36:50.070 --> 01:36:53.900
vantage point you know if you're in the
old songs again you gonna be alright by
01:36:53.900 --> 01:37:00.340
the thing is because the sixties they
decide to bring some political issues
01:37:00.340 --> 01:37:02.179
and
01:37:02.179 --> 01:37:07.360
like where have all the flowers gone if
you know that song which and the woman
01:37:07.360 --> 01:37:11.739
who sings the line gone to graveyards
everywhere just won't stop smiling
01:37:11.739 --> 01:37:17.999
anymore than in a pen marked as a
ruthless a kid I mean it's just amazing
01:37:17.999 --> 01:37:25.840
to me how she's smiling while seen that
means so and you know given the show is
01:37:25.840 --> 01:37:29.599
called trip of love they would have
gotten away with not having to deal with
01:37:29.599 --> 01:37:33.320
political stuff and I think they would
have been better off because otherwise
01:37:33.320 --> 01:37:37.249
you just such a river how could that
song was and you know when you bring the
01:37:37.249 --> 01:37:43.050
political stuff gotta remember this was
a tumultuous time and a lot of no jokes
01:37:43.050 --> 01:37:48.070
during the period of time so I don't
think a show called your love is under a
01:37:48.070 --> 01:37:53.260
responsibility to deal with this and I
think that's one of the places they went
01:37:53.260 --> 01:37:59.369
wrong but whatever way you not gonna
feel you get your money's worth in terms
01:37:59.369 --> 01:38:03.709
of what your eyes see Michael what did
you think again
01:38:03.709 --> 01:38:09.849
agree with every word that did there was
actually a number that was actually set
01:38:09.849 --> 01:38:14.539
in vietnam I believe it was blowing in
the wind with the two guys were sitting
01:38:14.539 --> 01:38:19.019
on the stage and obviously there are
supposed to be there I think they're
01:38:19.019 --> 01:38:25.360
tremendous mistake was attempting to
have any kind of a story whether you
01:38:25.360 --> 01:38:31.280
know even as ridiculous as it may be in
that note you read and whether whether
01:38:31.280 --> 01:38:35.630
you know and if they were going to have
money I mean really the shifts from
01:38:35.630 --> 01:38:43.269
incredibly light hearted songs like
downtown and and it's not unusual to do
01:38:43.269 --> 01:38:48.630
you know where have all the flowers gone
and and and these anti war peace songs
01:38:48.630 --> 01:38:55.650
it's it's done so badly that you like
are you serious I don't I wish he hadn't
01:38:55.650 --> 01:39:01.409
done that I think this fellow James
Wolski it was actually the credit is
01:39:01.409 --> 01:39:02.769
created
01:39:02.769 --> 01:39:06.880
directed and choreographed I think I
know there I was needed you know I
01:39:06.880 --> 01:39:11.239
really do and this show actually it made
me sad more than anything because there
01:39:11.239 --> 01:39:13.610
is so much talent
01:39:13.610 --> 01:39:20.210
on stage and I think the choreography
although to use that word you used to
01:39:20.210 --> 01:39:27.230
advance and it's not like innovative but
it wouldn't it's not supposed to be the
01:39:27.230 --> 01:39:32.210
choreography for what it was supposed to
be is excellent and the performance of
01:39:32.210 --> 01:39:40.030
it is is beyond great that kept this one
of the hardest working cast ever a shout
01:39:40.030 --> 01:39:45.050
out to David elder who we know from
among other things the 42nd Street
01:39:45.050 --> 01:39:52.330
revival and Titanic still singing and
dancing and looking like a million
01:39:52.330 --> 01:40:00.620
dollars as George also Austin Miller
from Greece live when rebels that that
01:40:00.620 --> 01:40:05.470
TV reality show and Laura wells yeah I I
thought she had an absolutely beautiful
01:40:05.470 --> 01:40:10.980
voice although some of her phrasing
bothered me I would have I would have
01:40:10.980 --> 01:40:14.460
said you know can you may be seeing some
of those note values the way they're
01:40:14.460 --> 01:40:20.320
written but I don't know if that was her
choice also Joey Calipari has been the
01:40:20.320 --> 01:40:26.720
shoot things beyond Figgins cherub polls
show and this Kelly felt house I guess
01:40:26.720 --> 01:40:33.150
that was her right Carolina whose vocal
resemblance to Kristin Chenoweth was
01:40:33.150 --> 01:40:38.650
absolutely freakish I thought and I know
to other people who agreed with me so I
01:40:38.650 --> 01:40:43.680
I guess it wasn't hearing things listed
in her lower register they were there
01:40:43.680 --> 01:40:49.740
was no soprano in this so we didn't get
to hear that but she's so much like her
01:40:49.740 --> 01:40:54.070
and even looked a little bit like a
little devils great but yeah I was sorry
01:40:54.070 --> 01:40:58.790
that this show came from Japan did you
mention that which I guess partly
01:40:58.790 --> 01:41:04.800
explains the money and partly explains
why the hell prints is now in Japan he
01:41:04.800 --> 01:41:13.190
said that the projections are state of
the art mind-boggling Radio City Music
01:41:13.190 --> 01:41:21.060
Hall Christmas Spectacular level the
sets also are very very expensive and
01:41:21.060 --> 01:41:28.340
elaborate I i one of the things about
the show is that there were a few things
01:41:28.340 --> 01:41:33.030
in it that at all we're so tasteless
that they brought down the the level of
01:41:33.030 --> 01:41:37.590
the whole thing so if those things have
been cut that would have been that would
01:41:37.590 --> 01:41:40.940
make me feel better that the set-piece
they used at the beginning and the end I
01:41:40.940 --> 01:41:46.180
guess to represent the rabbit hole to me
it just looked like a big vagina and
01:41:46.180 --> 01:41:53.470
then there was one point where active
the end of Act one is ever and I guess
01:41:53.470 --> 01:41:59.670
the aforementioned Lori well as well as
he was supposed to be seeing the at the
01:41:59.670 --> 01:42:07.040
wedding of Adam and Caroline but in the
meantime angela is sitting on a swing
01:42:07.040 --> 01:42:13.530
that's hanging from the flies and it's
like really you know so there were a few
01:42:13.530 --> 01:42:18.990
things over there were really tasteless
III love the costumes you know as over
01:42:18.990 --> 01:42:22.620
the top as they were but but there again
if there had not been any serious
01:42:22.620 --> 01:42:28.440
content in the show it it would have
been easier it would have been easier to
01:42:28.440 --> 01:42:32.840
take because then you wouldn't have
questioned some of the things that were
01:42:32.840 --> 01:42:40.020
really over the top in and maybe not in
great taste so I I felt I am I felt sad
01:42:40.020 --> 01:42:47.240
and a little angry that somewhat there
hadn't been another I to help this James
01:42:47.240 --> 01:42:50.300
Wolski in putting this this piece
together cuz I think that would have
01:42:50.300 --> 01:42:56.210
helped tremendously Michael Matt
mentioned Adam and Angela who have the
01:42:56.210 --> 01:43:00.820
other one was they all have games
they're not just their actors names of
01:43:00.820 --> 01:43:04.450
the programs they all have names but you
would never know it nobody reversers to
01:43:04.450 --> 01:43:08.550
each other by that name so you have to
do more than just give me characters
01:43:08.550 --> 01:43:14.290
names to make some characters so
four-month scenes in the next I never
01:43:14.290 --> 01:43:18.060
got the impression anybody was character
I just got the impression they were
01:43:18.060 --> 01:43:20.500
coming out and singing the song
01:43:20.500 --> 01:43:25.460
so triple of his playing at stage 42 its
open-ended and they're selling tickets
01:43:25.460 --> 01:43:33.960
through June do we think that it's going
to find an audience we don't know though
01:43:33.960 --> 01:43:38.240
I am NOT 100% certain that is that would
have been before I met this lady of a
01:43:38.240 --> 01:43:42.320
party to bring up the thing that I hear
a lot from all of the shows like Smokey
01:43:42.320 --> 01:43:47.960
Joe's café and that is it's good to
hear the old songs again I Jersey Boys
01:43:47.960 --> 01:43:51.650
to Jersey Boys of course has a very good
book a solid book and I know that's one
01:43:51.650 --> 01:43:56.280
of the reasons why it's been here now
and forever but the thing is that all
01:43:56.280 --> 01:44:03.780
things considered the average person who
hasn't heard these songs the average
01:44:03.780 --> 01:44:08.100
baby-boomer hasn't heard these songs in
a while we'll get some sort of happiness
01:44:08.100 --> 01:44:13.930
out of that so so well I don't think
they'll be here through June they may be
01:44:13.930 --> 01:44:21.020
here a few days more than I suspect one
more plus and minus there is there I had
01:44:21.020 --> 01:44:28.330
forgotten or didn't even realize there's
an actual orchestra pit in theater and
01:44:28.330 --> 01:44:33.720
open orchestra pit in this case which is
fantastic and I thought the I thought
01:44:33.720 --> 01:44:39.800
the arrangements and orchestrations were
really excellent but on the minus side I
01:44:39.800 --> 01:44:46.440
thought everything was a little too loud
so so there's that plus and minus all
01:44:46.440 --> 01:44:54.270
right before we wrap up my Kolkata got a
chance to see product production of ok a
01:44:54.270 --> 01:45:00.060
musical tonight and while it is closing
today October 25th we wanted to mention
01:45:00.060 --> 01:45:03.850
it for an outstanding performance of
Michael wanna tell us about that yes
01:45:03.850 --> 01:45:08.030
full disclosure as I've mentioned before
I take the production photos for the
01:45:08.030 --> 01:45:08.700
company
01:45:08.700 --> 01:45:12.840
musical tonight so take that for what
it's worth but I have to say this is one
01:45:12.840 --> 01:45:19.120
of their best shows ever they have a new
director choreographer for this show
01:45:19.120 --> 01:45:25.740
Casey Colgan they actually have five new
directors for the five shows they're
01:45:25.740 --> 01:45:30.650
doing this coming season one of whom is
Evan pappas did you know that Peter no I
01:45:30.650 --> 01:45:31.460
didn't
01:45:31.460 --> 01:45:36.570
yeah and so they've they've gotten new
blood in it they had initially announced
01:45:36.570 --> 01:45:42.330
that this is going to be the last season
but I think that they have the whole
01:45:42.330 --> 01:45:49.800
hold companies feels reinvigorated and
and it's so they did they have announced
01:45:49.800 --> 01:45:53.090
that there is not going to be the last
season that they're 18 season by the way
01:45:53.090 --> 01:45:56.980
so hopefully they'll at least make it 20
if not beyond but I did want to mention
01:45:56.980 --> 01:46:04.520
to show because for a few things it this
is the original ok not the awful rewrite
01:46:04.520 --> 01:46:09.540
nice work if you can get it that we saw
a few years ago and the cast was really
01:46:09.540 --> 01:46:13.960
very strong about the across the board
but I really do want to mention this
01:46:13.960 --> 01:46:22.210
Elizabeth Broadhurst who I thought was
stellar SK she just had so much charisma
01:46:22.210 --> 01:46:29.000
a lovely surprise know her two separate
British accents upper class and lower
01:46:29.000 --> 01:46:35.830
sounded great to me and she looked
beautiful and and just seemed really
01:46:35.830 --> 01:46:42.550
sparkled on stage and I i do think that
we are going to hear much more from her
01:46:42.550 --> 01:46:47.940
so far she has played grace in any at
Madison Square Garden with kathy lee
01:46:47.940 --> 01:46:52.060
gifford and John shock and she has
toured as missus banks and Mary
01:46:52.060 --> 01:46:59.370
understudy in Mary Poppins and she did a
European Tour's hair 1776 at the Guthrie
01:46:59.370 --> 01:47:04.500
as Martha just Jefferson I i really I
think you're going to hear her name
01:47:04.500 --> 01:47:09.780
again so so definitely remember that
Elizabeth Broadhurst let's hear at the
01:47:09.780 --> 01:47:16.370
Broadhurst I was just thinking all right
so that kind of wraps it up for this
01:47:16.370 --> 01:47:20.360
week before we get to trivia I want to
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the things we've talked about today so
01:47:54.460 --> 01:47:59.270
the answer the trivia from last week
Michael wanna check that yes the
01:47:59.270 --> 01:48:06.850
question was there is a musical in which
at one point the leading lady calls
01:48:06.850 --> 01:48:11.350
herself by another name she tells the
leading man that her name is something
01:48:11.350 --> 01:48:15.790
other than it actually is and she took
pics another name
01:48:15.790 --> 01:48:21.000
there's another musical at which at one
point the leading man calls the leading
01:48:21.000 --> 01:48:26.150
lady by the name other than her own and
in both of those cases the name is the
01:48:26.150 --> 01:48:29.480
same so the question was what is the
name of the characters what are the
01:48:29.480 --> 01:48:35.310
shows and the name is Mel assigned
because in bells are ringing Ella
01:48:35.310 --> 01:48:40.910
Peterson finally meets Jeffrey Moss but
he doesn't realize that she does she's
01:48:40.910 --> 01:48:47.390
the woman who's been taking his abstract
service messages and she doesn't want
01:48:47.390 --> 01:48:50.880
him to know that so at one point he asks
her name and she says
01:48:50.880 --> 01:49:01.400
melis under Scots and then in 110 in the
shade when Lizzie and Starbucks finally
01:49:01.400 --> 01:49:06.280
start to get together later in the show
he says something to the effect of
01:49:06.280 --> 01:49:10.630
lizzie is it's not a you know it's it's
a common name it's not it doesn't suit
01:49:10.630 --> 01:49:14.570
you and your name should be something
like Nellis and then he sings a whole
01:49:14.570 --> 01:49:22.520
really beautiful song a really fantastic
number called malice on about
01:49:22.520 --> 01:49:29.220
weaving this fantastic tale of the
Golden Fleece and he he puts together
01:49:29.220 --> 01:49:34.120
hamlet in the story of Jason and the
Argonauts and then use this wonderful
01:49:34.120 --> 01:49:39.970
really funny beautiful tale about about
this
01:49:39.970 --> 01:49:46.020
el-assad and then the man who is
striving for her so this week out to be
01:49:46.020 --> 01:49:50.680
correct answers to the question the
first from Carolina card the second from
01:49:50.680 --> 01:49:54.980
John Bakerella and that their trim steve
bell and one interesting thing is John
01:49:54.980 --> 01:49:59.190
Bakerella wrote and I had to laugh
because I knew exactly what he meant he
01:49:59.190 --> 01:50:03.320
said he had to double check it because
he wasn't sure if he'll let Peterson
01:50:03.320 --> 01:50:08.760
said her name was Milla since it was
funny because I first new bells are
01:50:08.760 --> 01:50:14.220
ringing from the original cast recording
before I had seen it before I did the
01:50:14.220 --> 01:50:21.280
show before I saw the movie and it does
sound to me like she says like she sings
01:50:21.280 --> 01:50:26.120
judy holliday sings he's in love with
millicent Scott but it wasn't until I
01:50:26.120 --> 01:50:29.880
saw the movie and then read the script
of the show and we did in high school
01:50:29.880 --> 01:50:35.310
that I found out that it in fact that
smell assigned so I'm glad to know I
01:50:35.310 --> 01:50:40.650
wasn't the only one who thought you said
millicent Peter give us the new trivia
01:50:40.650 --> 01:50:47.960
question sure call me McKenzie has been
a character in what world-famous musical
01:50:47.960 --> 01:50:57.050
that said can you can see has been a
character and what world-famous musical
01:50:57.050 --> 01:50:59.560
is the first named Connie
01:50:59.560 --> 01:51:06.940
CNN I E that's right are ready if you
know that answer email us at trivia at
01:51:06.940 --> 01:51:13.930
broader video.com and we will let you
know if you come up on the right answers
01:51:13.930 --> 01:51:19.400
so on behalf of Michael port entier Matt
tammany and beautiful Asia this is James
01:51:19.400 --> 01:51:23.240
Moreno sink thanks so much for listen to
Broadway video this week on broadway bye
01:51:23.240 --> 01:51:25.280
bye bye
01:51:25.280 --> 01:51:29.950
I've got the greatest named the greatest
name
01:51:29.950 --> 01:51:35.190
just he's
01:51:35.190 --> 01:51:42.380
I don't like it that's because you don't
know anything about it when I tell you
01:51:42.380 --> 01:51:44.070
who she was
01:51:44.070 --> 01:51:52.710
lady when I tell you who she were who
why she was the most beautiful
01:51:52.710 --> 01:51:58.920
she was a beautiful wife of King Hamlet
ever hear of him
01:51:58.920 --> 01:52:14.060
go on Starbucks somewhere that well
royal fella King Hamlet who had a total
01:52:14.060 --> 01:52:27.280
dog and he loved her so I tell you what
medicine was bothered so tell me what
01:52:27.280 --> 01:52:36.190
you need and Ellis I've got me a dream
I've always wanted a golden fleece and
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coming up on friday deals this week on
Broadway he talked with Michael detail
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about his new book razzle-dazzle we
reviewed the bandstand a paper mill
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Romance language trip of love and we
talked about Elizabeth Broadhurst ok
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awesome at Tammany joins in to report on
a television and film update please stay
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tuned
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hello and welcome to Broadway video this
week on Broadway for Sunday October 25th
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2015 my name is James doing the
broadcast this morning have Michael
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pourtant air heater phyllisha and Matt
M&E peter is the theater journalist and
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historian with a number of books this
most recent is the great parade of which
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is available everywhere his comments
appeared empty like Ritalin masterworks
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Broadway Broadway selected many other
places
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good morning peter the blinding also if
this is Michael put on tier michael is a
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theater reviewer and essayist whose work
appears to talk and Broadway the suntan
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review and Broadway stars he is also at
the actual photographer his photos have
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appeared in the New York Times and other
major publications you could see his
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photography work at follow us at
twitter.com
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good morning Michael good morning also
with this is Matt tammany matt is
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broader world senior TV and film critic
and right across other broader world
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site including broder World Orlando he
is the site advertising database manager
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matt is a director producer playwright
and services executive and co-artistic
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director of the squeaky wheel theater
project in Orlando you can connect with
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Matt through Twitter and had PWW match
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good morning that I'm good thank you
with us today we have a very special
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guests a man who needs no introduction
to our listeners Michael regal has with
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us michael is the guys and in fact it
went back and looked at our our notes
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michael is a return engagement ring to
the broadcast michael's been with us
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before on this week and Broadway few
years back we'll put a link in this in
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the notes to people want to go back and
listen to that but Michael site from his
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his duties pending a column at the New
York Post as had enough time to get out
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and write a book a very thick book
called razzle-dazzle the battle for
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broadway which is on the impact it may
be longer the region's quickly as a
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trashy Jack Bauer you know i i i let me
be the judge of that
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as many books as Jackie Collins book how
did you talk somebody at Simon and
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Schuster into producing a broadway book
well I'll be answered new proposal went
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around we had a number of dealers from
the major publishing houses at the
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concern was that Broadway books fall
into the Broadway gano elapsed yeah and
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you see most popular books are published
by smaller publishers like Lost offshore
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academic presses but simon schuster and
two or three other major publishers did
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respond to the aspect of the book that
the fortunes of one way to the fortunes
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of New York City and that in the
seventies when sixties and seventies
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York that's like bankrupt and dangerous
road within a very perilous position as
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well
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theater stayed alive and there were a
handful of people who stopped by
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Broadway and turned it around tried to
make the book that in saving Broadway
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they also have a chance of York City and
the publishers Simon Shuster in
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particular they thought that was a a
bigger picture to paint and that we then
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the history of New York's ups and downs
and York's revival with the revival on
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broadway but told for the stories of
these very colorful people who stopped
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by Broadway say that they thought that
book had a little more appeal than a
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book that is you know just a critical
survey let's take the musicals stephen
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sondheim so you know they may have
installed but they've got it really is
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an excellent history book that I really
do believe will become a text book and
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many college courses and for those who
said he's a gossip columnist I think
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you've shown that you're substantially
more than that though I thank you Peter
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appreciate that I knew I cannot be right
there was no way I could widen the style
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my columns and your college especially
gotta be featured columnist
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snide and sarcastic in it she and the
attack and a little thing happen flair
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know the water which will tradition but
like not I'd written four hundred and
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thirty two-page book written in thirty
two-page book and a style would be
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tedious and the fourth page so I really
deliberately set out not to write in the
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style of a tablet that's how they get
the interview I'll give you something
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great old Broadway preachers and told me
their stories I realized they hold these
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anecdotes and these stories and they
reflected in a in a very theatrical
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compelling way and I had to get out of
the way and let them to only dust for
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read the the excerpt that was in vanity
fair was a bitch that part of it is is
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more specifically concerned with the
with the competition between nine and
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Dreamgirls for best musical which
absolutely fascinating itself with it
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was an epic it was an epic battle 1982
war between Michael Bennet's Dreamgirls
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and Tommy tunes and I are you that you
will cuz I know about that story and I'm
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like a lot of rivalry with the tony
awards that this one was very interested
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in the end at work trying to do the book
because behind that behind that battle
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is the battle to build the Marriott
Marquis you know the very first thing
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that began to revitalize Times Square
but in order to build that hotel which
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remains of the ugliest piece of
architecture city but in order to build
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a hotel the city had to tear down the
aisle in hey here's the moscow feeder
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two of his legendary theaters as well as
a little tiny theater called the big
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issue and the tearing down of those
theaters caused a civil war within the
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broader community because most of the
actors and playwrights they were all
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theaters they didn't want a hundred
years of Natural History
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wiped out the schubert organization 30
Jacobs injuries to wrap our people
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players michael they were big proponents
of revitalizing Times Square and they
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could delay the schubert organization
behind those marquee a lot of people on
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broadway blame them for the long heaters
and all well and safe so to what at all
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between Dreamgirls produced by the
schubert organization and nine which was
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kind of a back by a lot of flying by the
seat of our pants young people numbers
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and Francine LeFrak you need a lender
was in there and say I'm calling you a
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chance where and when people lie about I
do believe they thought you know what we
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are so pissed off that burning Jerry for
wanting to build this horrible hotel
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we're gonna end street and we're going
to vote for nine and so that backstage
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got to be stopped officer tied in with
us we're trying to tell about how Times
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Square was revitalized so that's
absolutely give you an example of a
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gossipy bit but that also serves place
for more of a larger point I was trying
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to get out ok but the question becomes
Jerry made the statement in the book you
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you quote him as saying look these are
not musical theater's visa playhouses
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and as a result they're not going to get
the type of bookings that I'm gonna
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happen in the future because we're
coming up becoming a much more musical
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centric Broadway do you agree with that
little did he know that now we take lots
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of playhouses quarter-on-quarter used
Isuzu sickle cell houses but I guess
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yeah I know he would have had no way of
knowing that I mean jerry was gary was
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to his credit really want a very very
first people to push and he pushed
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aggressively to revitalize Times Square
I mean will give a lot of credit to Rudy
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Giuliani and busy but they come much
later Jerry but fighting for this in the
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in the seventies you know form the
committee which was the very first
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public and private group of people who
really thought we gotta save time
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for Jerry it was without his business
was maritimes where he was going to go
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down the tubes so was the sugar
organization so he was doing it really
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to survive I'm ambivalent about the
whole situation I I love the dreidel
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Peters I think a place yet on the Moscow
Art Deco salesman premiered should still
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be with us and as my friend is ugly as I
think america marty is I cannot deny
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that it really did begin the
revitalization Times Square because
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nothing is nothing in Times Square about
them that would attract people who
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weren't really on the lookout for shady
kinds of things and you're gonna put a
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SoCal which while if you look at it
closely with designed like a bunker I
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see a lot of the eighth floor of the
risk it was designed to make people come
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to New York and he'll face you're
protected from there from what was going
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on around them in times square but it
was a reasonably priced hotel for middle
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and upper middle class people to venture
into new york and not feel terrified
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like they felt safe in the hotel
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burden-sharing new if you had people
coming in at hotel
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who were looking to go to legitimate
shall we say things that is broadway
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shows they were like they're in the
neighborhood and that hotel country
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people into the Broadway theaters and
indeed that is I think over time what
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happened but you look at pictures of the
Helen Hayes in moscow they were they
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were wonderful theaters and there's no
question that we lost 100 years of
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Broadway history with no seeders came
down and they weren't Schubert it is
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either I don't think perjury with
foreign powers that works for a couple
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of photos of the good although her
brother did bill both Michael and tell
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us about this
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the impetus behind behind this this book
that you've written when you know how
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did you decide to pick just these the
book ends of these years to tell this
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story
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well I really wanted to get out of that
they would I want to show how
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from Broadway to the really to say that
the revitalization of New York City
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because for years and I i've lived as
you have free time square in its cd-da
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is and what it is today this morning
shiny tourist attraction that is no good
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generates and then massive income choreo
toward the city and Broadway too but I
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was interested in the struggle of how
Broadway really was saved back then and
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I have to want to get across the point
is I often hear people talk about 30
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like city they talk about sports scratch
you know we need a sports-themed build a
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new stadium now I'm always believed that
the arts are fundamental to a vital city
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and that when brought her down for the
count in Times Square was really seedy
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New York is one thing that no other city
in the world and that's Broadway and
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people who worked on broadway who loved
broadway who whose lives were tied up
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too broadly they didn't give up on your
district they started by it and they
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worked like hell and they really have a
lot of battles to turn around and say
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that I just think that broadway never
really got the proper credit and the
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Broadway theatre artists never got the
credit for doing their part to
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revitalize Times Square in New York City
I two stories from me in 1970 I guess it
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would have been I went with a friend to
see butterflies are free and we were not
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I wouldn't exactly say mug but we were
strong-armed on the street in the middle
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of the day in Times Square right to
disreputable gentlemen it's like giving
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them money and then a few years later I
guess the early eighties I was working
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in 1515 Broadway believe it or not and I
went out on my lunch hour Wednesday and
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somebody came up to me and pretended to
have or may be really did have a gun in
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his pocket and tried to get so this is
what the reality was back then and
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people are quite realize it well as
Michael rights i'd rather a thriving if
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touristy Times Square than a sad
derelict one and I agree with that
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I'm so curious it does seem like there's
been a bit of a weird back turn lately
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with all of the negative publicity on
times square in terms of the Painted
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Ladies in the end the fairly aggressive
characters in costumes and also try
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pushing trying to put CDs we still gotta
tell you something I have to get a
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charity show credit when they when he
saw the plan for the Marriott Marquis
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Hotel in the understanding the plans
included a pedestrian plows and sharing
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with absolutely against the pedestrian
plaza will just be a place for shady
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nefarious people can gather and
harassing customers and that should be
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me what's happening now and I really
think bill Ratner police commissioner
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and wat you may have to keep an eye on
that because it's implied very quickly
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and once people begin to fear being
somewhere they start to fade away and
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that becomes a problem
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yes and you know Patti LuPone went on
record as saying how how how much she
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hates being in that area I know many
friends of mine say they avoided like
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the plague as I do we even saw an
example of a can't remember now maybe
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one of the other guys does of a theater
an off-broadway theater that advertised
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as a plus the fact that it's not in
Times Square it's one of one of the
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several the official who talked about
Jerry's efforts to say Times Square told
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me and Jerry had lived there were to be
no pedestrian plaza where the schubert
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organization with thought that tooth and
nail and they had a lot of influence a
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lot of influence with the city where
they were thinking of putting that
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pedestrian plaza there in the in the
late seventies not only to Jerry oh shit
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but so did the
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co-producer sorry Alex come to call the
with that it's going to be needle part
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for vagrants to do their due to drugs
and outside and they had made a few
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months ago judge it I just think it's at
the Daily News had an article that was
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talking about maybe creating a park soon
in their cause if you create a park
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you can't have any of the characters in
there because you can operate a business
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within the park that's what I was aiming
their piano before this plaza there have
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been lots of other places in in
throughout the city where you would
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think that this might become an issue
like South Street Seaport and get out
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would separate the Year honors really
don't like it don't like it just might
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be able to get around it but people get
their cars in the Cedar shows a number
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of people have told me that really since
the death death of Jerry schoenfeld in
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2008 there has not been somebody who's
really active who represents the
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Broadway community in dealing with the
city that was really something that
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Jerry did brilliantly in no one has its
fill that void relations between
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Broadway and the city and that's one
reason why feature
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tangled up shows just how powerful Jerry
Jerry was back in those days in
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Cherrydale the city birdie jacobson's
Business Park about the company with him
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but he's great strength was in producing
the show was burning great strength in
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his relationships with people like
Michael Bennett who created the course
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I'm Dreamgirls of course and the Cameron
Mackintosh in Andrew Lloyd Webber and
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Cameron Mackintosh told the lady with
the kids or producer with no money and
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he produced little by little shows in
London and he had a sort of cheap
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airline tickets the company you work for
the very first time and he was talking
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to a couple of guys who want theatres in
London and they said you got to meet a
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friend for Jenkins while you're in New
York remember this is Cameron Mackintosh
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before he was coming back
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and Cameron presented himself and nobody
took him to lunch and asking where he
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was staying in Camarillo is not cheap
hotel he said you know that and i own a
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house use our guest room and four years
when Cameron Mackintosh was just kidding
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he would come to New York and he had no
money he always stayed and burning and
00:19:02.460 --> 00:19:06.909
Betty Jenkins guest room is to call my
new york crash pad and was because
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burning like them and pretty all bernie
saw him was a talented passionate your
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kid who might someday do something well
it turned out that talented passionate
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Peter kid cats
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problem handsome and Miss Saigon and
they'd Schubert's hundreds hundreds of
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millions of dollars but he was very good
at spotting young people who just
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completely committed to to to the
theater business and and and and and
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developing relationships with them so
who is the Newberry Jacob stand are we
00:19:41.799 --> 00:19:47.179
looking for the various folks at the
large multinationals that are producing
00:19:47.179 --> 00:19:52.419
Broadway to undertake these roles I
don't think you'll ever have to god-like
00:19:52.419 --> 00:19:57.250
body injury who really dominated the
business because now corporations are
00:19:57.250 --> 00:20:02.200
never going to be dominated by the real
estate guys and the producers are so
00:20:02.200 --> 00:20:07.380
powerful in their own right because they
need so much money like like wicked and
00:20:07.380 --> 00:20:12.520
Jersey Boys and my money that they're
not going to be pushed around by
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Schubert's me after number brain injury
they they brand everything they
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generally union they ran the League of
American theaters and producers of
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Broadway's they ran the way they Randy
actress fun they control the real estate
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they controlled Michael Bennet they had
their deals with Cameron and and and and
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Andrew for all those great shows they
dominated businessmen not for nothing
00:20:38.669 --> 00:20:42.190
with Jenkins called the dot and I
remember the very first time I ever saw
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would have been I think 1991 or 1992
United Jewish appeal benefit which he
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was being honored I was looking like 22
I remember going to the event
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and unite heard of this early Jacobs I
knew he was a mature but organization
00:21:01.240 --> 00:21:05.720
and I looked at the table where he was
sitting with his family and there was a
00:21:05.720 --> 00:21:10.279
line of people waiting to pay their
respects and it looked exactly like
00:21:10.279 --> 00:21:17.260
that's what I don't think anyone is ever
gonna have that kind of power in the
00:21:17.260 --> 00:21:19.899
future now requires all diffuse
00:21:19.899 --> 00:21:24.399
around now when I get up early and very
well we're running a business trip me
00:21:24.399 --> 00:21:28.580
back in the early seventies was not a
multi-billion dollar global business
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that is that a backwater of the
entertainment in my book first chapter
00:21:34.029 --> 00:21:40.010
is about helping scandal in the in the
early sixties I wanna I wanna do start
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the book out later that want to show
people that did business once upon time
00:21:43.490 --> 00:21:54.950
had been a real lucky to work in let's
see when would it have been in the
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eighties I had a friend who worked in in
box office and I brought up the question
00:22:01.169 --> 00:22:09.010
of ice one day and he clammed up liking
I can't even though I mean his face
00:22:09.010 --> 00:22:16.899
turned like white and Michael probably
we should probably explain what I said
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yeah just this is a very simple example
in it but if it did it legally seeps
00:22:24.130 --> 00:22:29.010
through the entire industry back at the
time hiding in the book if they check it
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allowed to say that racism is secured in
1970 1960 was $10 76 Martin
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your the box office treasurer at my fair
lady and they're only 1,500 seats and I
00:22:43.840 --> 00:22:49.149
gotta show the world a lot more people
just 1,500 wanna see that show and have
00:22:49.149 --> 00:22:53.679
any any given night so if you have
access to that $10 ticket you just take
00:22:53.679 --> 00:22:56.570
it off the shelf in your pocket
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go to a ticket broker or a ticket
scalper and selling that ticket let's
00:23:01.210 --> 00:23:08.840
say he give you 50 bucks for that
penalty well that's 40 bucks cash
00:23:08.840 --> 00:23:14.039
that you put your pocket and is never
traced and has called twice because of
00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:18.480
the way and the ticket broker but then
take $50 chickened out and sell it to
00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:25.980
his customers $400 now this was going on
all the fans everywhere after three IRS
00:23:25.980 --> 00:23:30.559
never knew anything about that which is
why was illegal and when it was when I
00:23:30.559 --> 00:23:35.330
began my book and the original box
covers it all very investigation on the
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front page of the inspectors days they
estimated that year in and year out the
00:23:40.880 --> 00:23:45.679
amount of ice on Broadway with anywhere
from 75 200 million dollars in 1960 in
00:23:45.679 --> 00:23:51.600
today's dollars that's five 600 to 700
million dollars all going around at the
00:23:51.600 --> 00:23:59.669
IRS never do anything it has meant that
mister mister deja Q public couldn't get
00:23:59.669 --> 00:24:02.700
a ticket to not shown because they were
all being funneled to the bunkers and
00:24:02.700 --> 00:24:06.760
everything including as I say in the
book the schubert organization attack in
00:24:06.760 --> 00:24:12.059
a room room 504 in the side of building
where they were selling the tickets to
00:24:12.059 --> 00:24:15.929
brokers and dividing up the money and
distributing distributor you up and down
00:24:15.929 --> 00:24:20.250
the chain at the Shubert organization
right up to the top flight up to Larry
00:24:20.250 --> 00:24:26.140
Schubert one nephew of jay jay he was
writing the company so everybody and
00:24:26.140 --> 00:24:32.960
Jerry be lawyers and judges lawyers
readers were liars and they knew that
00:24:32.960 --> 00:24:38.110
this was totally illegal and the company
if if there were an investigation the
00:24:38.110 --> 00:24:41.770
whole company could be shut down and
indeed when I was researching that had
00:24:41.770 --> 00:24:45.620
to look closely her body injury involved
in this their characters now and I
00:24:45.620 --> 00:24:49.770
tracked down the 87 now he was the
assistant attorney general who
00:24:49.770 --> 00:24:53.820
investigated the ice data back then and
I asked him point-blank at all I need to
00:24:53.820 --> 00:24:58.460
know will burn injuries and his quote
which I am the booklets I am NOT here to
00:24:58.460 --> 00:25:06.640
I'm not here to excuse anyone or
whitewash anyone but I will only say
00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:11.850
that in the course of my investigation
two people were very helpful and they
00:25:11.850 --> 00:25:16.130
were burning Jacobs and Jerry schoenfeld
because they understood what was at
00:25:16.130 --> 00:25:18.480
stake
00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:22.770
one of the things that was really had a
huge impact on me and reading the book
00:25:22.770 --> 00:25:30.530
is that the enormous and powerful
schubert organization was on the ropes
00:25:30.530 --> 00:25:36.919
at times and they are and that we we
seriously if it weren't for this two
00:25:36.919 --> 00:25:41.370
gentlemen we speak we could have a
different Broadway landscape today
00:25:41.370 --> 00:25:46.919
well yet remember he major issue
burtless
00:25:46.919 --> 00:25:51.010
he died in the early sixties and burn
injury had worked for him for many years
00:25:51.010 --> 00:25:56.470
as a lawyer and it was not a piece of
circumstances that total tyrant flights
00:25:56.470 --> 00:26:00.130
they're needed somebody needed to take
over the company is always been a family
00:26:00.130 --> 00:26:05.179
business but jay-z a son John died a few
years before he was the only air so
00:26:05.179 --> 00:26:09.400
there's nobody around and indeed bernie
that suggested that Jerry step forward
00:26:09.400 --> 00:26:11.480
and become the chairman
00:26:11.480 --> 00:26:14.620
back then but youre even the ultimate
and he felt it will look back into the
00:26:14.620 --> 00:26:21.549
family that's so why aren't you remarks
JJ's nephew was made the head but he was
00:26:21.549 --> 00:26:25.760
a total drunk btw literally ran the
company from the second floor bar
00:26:25.760 --> 00:26:29.940
starting so it never too far from the
Scotch didn't care about the theater
00:26:29.940 --> 00:26:35.290
just collecting rent from the show
should stop producing you rarely went to
00:26:35.290 --> 00:26:38.730
rehearsals you we're really went to
backers auditions anyone when he would
00:26:38.730 --> 00:26:42.320
go he was embarrassed because he'd be so
drunk he get on the course girls or
00:26:42.320 --> 00:26:46.950
something like that and burn injuries
burn injury suffered under him for 10
00:26:46.950 --> 00:26:50.600
years until they finally realized the
whole the whole thing was falling apart
00:26:50.600 --> 00:26:57.169
of our nation was in dire dire straits
and they staged a boardroom coup and
00:26:57.169 --> 00:27:02.520
they got him out and they took control
of the company for themselves and have
00:27:02.520 --> 00:27:05.780
an interview that party jacobs did with
this gorgeous first family before he
00:27:05.780 --> 00:27:10.270
died his widow Betty but be used for the
book and he said when he and Brady got
00:27:10.270 --> 00:27:13.650
control of things that should work
organization had a cash flow problem
00:27:13.650 --> 00:27:18.500
they need two million dollar line of
credit from JPMorgan Chase and bills so
00:27:18.500 --> 00:27:23.830
bernie went to JPMorgan and he used as
collateral 17 Shubert theaters to get a
00:27:23.830 --> 00:27:27.909
million dollar line of credit and
JPMorgan turned him down if they deemed
00:27:27.909 --> 00:27:31.830
in 1972 that seventeen Broadway theaters
or not
00:27:31.830 --> 00:27:37.260
with $1,000,000 ever specialty used
properties in a meeting neighborhood and
00:27:37.260 --> 00:27:42.720
our million dollars now jump ahead today
marks are going to build a 1500 seek
00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:50.649
musical theatre house I'm land they own
on 45th Street 46 tree the minimum cost
00:27:50.649 --> 00:27:56.179
just a bit but peter is 175 million for
one year now they own the land so if you
00:27:56.179 --> 00:28:01.470
had to buy the land and then we're
looking at 400 500 million dollars from
00:28:01.470 --> 00:28:07.120
one theater 1972 according to JPMorgan
seventeen workers were not working on
00:28:07.120 --> 00:28:11.340
the dollars that gives you i think is
not show the state of Broadway that you
00:28:11.340 --> 00:28:19.210
have a specific question do you know the
little Shubert Schubert own that
00:28:19.210 --> 00:28:27.059
building yes they do they have the
mistake right now and so now they are
00:28:27.059 --> 00:28:34.250
leasing the theater 22 others as a very
recently and changed the name of it is
00:28:34.250 --> 00:28:38.610
that what would happen I'm not sure of
the details the ins and outs i mean they
00:28:38.610 --> 00:28:43.570
built it lands there was a brief period
you may remember this number of that
00:28:43.570 --> 00:28:49.210
period where off-broadway time we seem
to be the new thing and you'll find was
00:28:49.210 --> 00:28:54.549
going off Broadway and off-broadway and
Broadway with just you know I was just
00:28:54.549 --> 00:28:59.029
diana is going to be 44 boring musicals
and all the real stuff is happening
00:28:59.029 --> 00:29:02.960
off-broadway a bill that capitalize on
it but that's what happened was a
00:29:02.960 --> 00:29:06.130
business model might be pointed out
early earlier
00:29:06.130 --> 00:29:11.929
to figure out a way to get you the cold
in 2009 musical theatre houses on
00:29:11.929 --> 00:29:16.610
Broadway Playhouse work that and then
the play came roaring back because they
00:29:16.610 --> 00:29:21.610
get too cold pitner you Jack Curtin
Statesman a flight for fourteen fifteen
00:29:21.610 --> 00:29:26.720
weeks to demand to be so great we can
charge an arm and a leg for the tickets
00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:31.960
so laid back to Broadway and then
clearly the Commercial Off Broadway was
00:29:31.960 --> 00:29:36.350
devastated and they couldn't book the
little Shubert years or whatever they
00:29:36.350 --> 00:29:39.309
had that class right
00:29:39.309 --> 00:29:45.019
michael chang nothing nothing ever stays
the same distance and that's like
00:29:45.019 --> 00:29:52.720
constantly shifting ok two lines jumped
out at me from the book one stanley
00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:57.549
kaufman who by the way was New York
Times theater critic for a year
00:29:57.549 --> 00:30:02.320
Stanley Kauffmann was uncomfortable
being a public target which inevitably
00:30:02.320 --> 00:30:08.440
comes with such an influential job and
the sauce will quote david merrick
00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:11.590
didn't give a damn what people thought
of him
00:30:11.590 --> 00:30:16.009
alright my truck were you in that are
you uncomfortable are comfortable with
00:30:16.009 --> 00:30:21.389
being a public target and such an
influential job and do you indeed give a
00:30:21.389 --> 00:30:27.389
damn what people think of you while I
think my influences greatly exaggerated
00:30:27.389 --> 00:30:29.249
but I'm happy that people feel that way
00:30:29.249 --> 00:30:38.659
laws marketers I really don't care what
they say many years you know taking a
00:30:38.659 --> 00:30:44.419
few swings a number of theater people
and their shows so if they want to swing
00:30:44.419 --> 00:30:48.269
back I think that's only fair and it
doesn't bother me at all like I like to
00:30:48.269 --> 00:30:53.369
give and take it in the badly you think
that's all part of the fun of company
00:30:53.369 --> 00:30:58.679
Broadway and what people think of me you
know i three companies myself and I have
00:30:58.679 --> 00:31:04.119
a thick skin and I so go my own way in
the world that people can elect pure
00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:07.600
hate knee-jerk say what they want to
become essentially having a book on that
00:31:07.600 --> 00:31:12.730
because you know people are reviewing it
so I was like to be reviewed which is
00:31:12.730 --> 00:31:17.580
which is an interesting perspective on
life but I would never I would never
00:31:17.580 --> 00:31:22.139
hold it against anyone who was upset at
me for something because I I can be a
00:31:22.139 --> 00:31:31.019
little devilish ways you can try to calm
down calm lie or a book I wrote and you
00:31:31.019 --> 00:31:36.039
can't have your mind will be a
satisfactory this are people looking
00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:40.240
like they say they are writers make it
fun and interesting lively and often in
00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:44.740
our business and interesting likely
gossip that is not terribly flattering
00:31:44.740 --> 00:31:50.929
subject it's funny to me how you used
the phrase take a swing at because you
00:31:50.929 --> 00:31:52.130
didn't you have a
00:31:52.130 --> 00:31:58.750
11 of those no i didnt say I'm not not a
fine don't do the recipient of the
00:31:58.750 --> 00:32:04.570
specific I was the recipient of the
swing from David Leveaux who was upset
00:32:04.570 --> 00:32:09.080
at the way I covered his presbyterian
00:32:09.080 --> 00:32:18.220
revival of and it wasn't a swinger since
the show off my makeup that's funny all
00:32:18.220 --> 00:32:27.190
of you and wanted becoming friends
because I think I don't take it too
00:32:27.190 --> 00:32:33.020
seriously and I make a joke about all of
them when they are just trying to be the
00:32:33.020 --> 00:32:37.600
first to laugh at myself which probably
I guess is disarming to them I was very
00:32:37.600 --> 00:32:44.110
surprised there was a book party the
last week when the book came out and
00:32:44.110 --> 00:32:50.620
looked around then and heavy hitters
from the Euro world where their purpose
00:32:50.620 --> 00:32:54.210
like a big day opening night or
something I would rather cut this isn't
00:32:54.210 --> 00:33:02.480
room for people pretending to like I
wanted to get back to the shirts for
00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:07.800
just a second just to clarify something
because you had we talking about the
00:33:07.800 --> 00:33:12.640
enormous amount of money that the
schubert or are worth these days and I
00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:16.250
wanted to point out the schubert
organization which runs and produces the
00:33:16.250 --> 00:33:19.790
theaters and things like that is
actually owned by the Shubert foundation
00:33:19.790 --> 00:33:25.600
and the foundation that money makes its
way through the theaters to the
00:33:25.600 --> 00:33:31.520
foundation and the foundation is
responsible for putting out grants every
00:33:31.520 --> 00:33:37.920
year of millions and millions of dollars
so it's a it's sorry I was just gonna
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:42.170
say that the money makes it back into
support for non-profit professional
00:33:42.170 --> 00:33:46.350
theater and dance companies all around
the United States just to let a lot of
00:33:46.350 --> 00:33:50.460
our listeners to think that no they just
pocket this money and go out and you
00:33:50.460 --> 00:33:53.180
know they might do it other
organizations but specifically
00:33:53.180 --> 00:33:54.300
Schubert's
00:33:54.300 --> 00:34:01.310
a lot of money makes it back its
arrangement that is unique in the
00:34:01.310 --> 00:34:05.710
history of nonprofit and charitable
foundations of trying to get too
00:34:05.710 --> 00:34:08.500
technical lot of the history of its
interesting yes you are right the
00:34:08.500 --> 00:34:12.360
schubert organization which is a
multi-million dollar or profit company
00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:19.230
is not owned by any human beings it is
entirely owned by the Shubert foundation
00:34:19.230 --> 00:34:26.310
which is a non-profit entity that doles
out grants to arts organizations around
00:34:26.310 --> 00:34:27.980
the company now
00:34:27.980 --> 00:34:34.400
Foundation was set up by me and Jay Jay
Schubert original timber brothers in
00:34:34.400 --> 00:34:37.470
honor of their brother Sam Schubert who
really found a company but it was still
00:34:37.470 --> 00:34:42.950
very young a training accident and they
set up this to stagnation in memory of
00:34:42.950 --> 00:34:49.250
stamps right business back in the
nineteen twenties over time that
00:34:49.250 --> 00:34:53.530
foundation as it did for many
corporations back in those days ahead
00:34:53.530 --> 00:34:59.570
nonprofit arms that foundation became a
very convenient place to hide money from
00:34:59.570 --> 00:35:05.120
the IRS because remember the IRS was not
patrolling the way they can back that
00:35:05.120 --> 00:35:10.440
the foundation just became a place to
dump a lot of cash that never went to
00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:17.550
the government's and in the seventies
the in the sixties the IRS began to
00:35:17.550 --> 00:35:22.980
realize that such places as Ford
Foundation were completely connected to
00:35:22.980 --> 00:35:28.450
the for profit for the Johnson and
Johnson Foundation completely connected
00:35:28.450 --> 00:35:35.630
to the jobs in adjusting and what the
IRS realized was that the corporations
00:35:35.630 --> 00:35:40.770
were finally a lot of money and highly
advise foundations and the IRS and
00:35:40.770 --> 00:35:47.270
government passed a law that forced
every foundation and for-profit company
00:35:47.270 --> 00:35:52.500
to part ways today the Ford Foundation
has absolutely nothing to do with motor
00:35:52.500 --> 00:35:56.760
company Johnson and Johnson Foundation
has nothing to do with the johnson
00:35:56.760 --> 00:36:02.610
Johnson Pharmaceutical Research
Foundation still owns the for-profit
00:36:02.610 --> 00:36:07.350
Shubert foundation so on the for-profit
organization and why is this because
00:36:07.350 --> 00:36:07.770
they were
00:36:07.770 --> 00:36:11.770
flying under the radar it was kind of a
small company the IRS wasn't paying
00:36:11.770 --> 00:36:16.070
attention and in the seventies body
injury being warriors realized they had
00:36:16.070 --> 00:36:21.190
a problem if the government finds out
what's going on they can break this
00:36:21.190 --> 00:36:29.440
company and burn injury petition the IRS
saying they may be arguments at Peters
00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:34.500
perilous and lots of ups and downs and
that neither of which were not landmark
00:36:34.500 --> 00:36:38.920
then easily torn down and made into
parking lots and that the foundation
00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:45.630
purpose was to maintain the Shubert
theaters and only the foundation could
00:36:45.630 --> 00:36:50.160
do that and if you separate the
foundation from the theaters those
00:36:50.160 --> 00:36:54.240
dealers very likely could be sold off
controlling down and it can only be held
00:36:54.240 --> 00:37:00.150
together as theaters by this nonprofit
foundation and the IRS and yes I have no
00:37:00.150 --> 00:37:04.770
idea how to get to this day
00:37:04.770 --> 00:37:10.280
foundation is the only non-profit
company in America that controls a multi
00:37:10.280 --> 00:37:15.150
$1,000,000 for-profit company and i was
just going to say I have heard I have no
00:37:15.150 --> 00:37:18.600
idea if this is true but it certainly
sounds like it could be someone quoted
00:37:18.600 --> 00:37:23.920
one of the majors Schubert higher-ups as
having said there's no profit like
00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:31.990
nonprofit it's something that actually
carry schoenfeld used to say that
00:37:31.990 --> 00:37:38.740
there's no probably like any how you
feel about 40 injury they they were very
00:37:38.740 --> 00:37:43.000
successful and they were highly paid
highly paid by the Foundation and they
00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:48.610
lived very comfortable lives that
limousines and and and the concorde and
00:37:48.610 --> 00:37:53.260
Barclay hotel suite and whatnot but as
they always said it and its Jerry always
00:37:53.260 --> 00:38:02.050
reminded me he always said I call you
speak employees of sugar I serve at the
00:38:02.050 --> 00:38:06.240
pleasure of the board of the foundation
they never had any equity in the company
00:38:06.240 --> 00:38:10.990
they never got rich the way jimmy needle
and reduces your own to the theaters and
00:38:10.990 --> 00:38:15.120
arms all his real estate in a richly
Cameron and Mr Cameron Andrew owner
00:38:15.120 --> 00:38:17.390
shows or injury
00:38:17.390 --> 00:38:20.880
ever own a piece of the hit musical even
though the schubert produced
00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:26.029
Dreamgirls and cats phantom always big
shows they never on any of the real
00:38:26.029 --> 00:38:31.529
estate they never on any of the theaters
they were and they always said employees
00:38:31.529 --> 00:38:37.730
and no one can ever imagine that you
were here you might still work if you
00:38:37.730 --> 00:38:41.529
are a few organizations you serve at the
pleasure of the board of the Shubert
00:38:41.529 --> 00:38:47.910
foundation speaking of Jimmy do you ever
think we'll get the Hellinger back I
00:38:47.910 --> 00:38:52.890
don't think so because the way to
contract is set up Jimmy Jimmy gave the
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Hellinger or rented it to be getting to
the church Times Square church where he
00:38:56.519 --> 00:39:01.819
was he was in financial trouble in the
eighties and then eventually be the
00:39:01.819 --> 00:39:06.529
church bought the fear Jimmy does have
the first right to to make a bet on it
00:39:06.529 --> 00:39:12.099
should the church ever sell it but it's
such a thriving church such a thriving
00:39:12.099 --> 00:39:17.849
place this time for church that the only
way I heard they would consider selling
00:39:17.849 --> 00:39:24.349
it if a buyer where to find them a
bigger and even better spot in Times
00:39:24.349 --> 00:39:30.210
Square and that's very hard to do given
the cost of buying anything integrate
00:39:30.210 --> 00:39:39.960
these days so I toys R Us changes our
prayers R Us what's gonna happen at that
00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:47.059
big toys R Us spot have you heard any
rumors I do not look I don't know what's
00:39:47.059 --> 00:39:50.789
going on there somebody some big
corporation will come in and it's too
00:39:50.789 --> 00:39:56.900
good to pass up on the display windows
not be selling somewheres New York Times
00:39:56.900 --> 00:40:08.279
New York Post headquarters there it is a
shame that we can meet anywhere from
00:40:08.279 --> 00:40:09.259
financial trouble
00:40:09.259 --> 00:40:15.710
back then and he was quoted as saying
you yourselves least their site to the
00:40:15.710 --> 00:40:16.299
church
00:40:16.299 --> 00:40:23.430
affair only business ok and I expected
to be at church I'm just not sure why
00:40:23.430 --> 00:40:24.750
they you know
00:40:24.750 --> 00:40:30.300
you know hindsight is 2020 but why they
went from the lease to the actual
00:40:30.300 --> 00:40:35.320
outright sale I guess maybe the church
said we will only stay if you sell it to
00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:39.250
us they had a had a contract with you
knew that allowed them to buy it
00:40:39.250 --> 00:40:51.240
ok well they hired a price tag on land
but I remember talking to a couple of
00:40:51.240 --> 00:40:55.320
employees after he took some hits in the
eighties certainly with a big block of
00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:59.740
legs time in the gym who was up too late
he had the lease on the New Amsterdam
00:40:59.740 --> 00:41:06.510
Theatre back then and new york city
would take a leaf and refurbish it
00:41:06.510 --> 00:41:10.580
caucus huge amount of money retriever
should you don't have the money yet no
00:41:10.580 --> 00:41:16.060
Canon Peter he tried to get how to put
France's there you can get how my old
00:41:16.060 --> 00:41:20.510
friend how to put that I can raise money
to accept the theater and house and
00:41:20.510 --> 00:41:24.050
Jimmy letter after he went to the
theater letter which I have been used
00:41:24.050 --> 00:41:31.080
the book also I got my cab and I was
accosted street theater if there's no
00:41:31.080 --> 00:41:37.820
way I would ever walk on that block let
alone anyone my shows a lot today to
00:41:37.820 --> 00:41:42.820
answer as we know is the flagship of the
Walt Disney Company as a lap again how
00:41:42.820 --> 00:41:44.690
things change
00:41:44.690 --> 00:41:51.200
why he unloaded the Hellinger when he
was when he was really financial trouble
00:41:51.200 --> 00:41:53.800
I talked to some of the employees that
they said you know we were all very
00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:59.590
loyal but the world was going around the
authors if you get another job take it
00:41:59.590 --> 00:42:09.040
because when I survived wow wow can you
imagine I can imagine as I was reading
00:42:09.040 --> 00:42:17.320
your book i I kept on getting the feel
of Tom Wolfe's a novel Bonfire of the
00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:23.500
vanities and Bonfire of the vanities
with a slice of life you know reflected
00:42:23.500 --> 00:42:25.760
upon the eighties in New York City
00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:30.550
and razzle dazzle the battle for
Broadway FL was a reflection of New York
00:42:30.550 --> 00:42:36.530
City in the late sixties early and
seventies it do you think that this
00:42:36.530 --> 00:42:42.200
could be fodder for some sort of
treatment for you know perhaps a movie
00:42:42.200 --> 00:42:51.900
documentary even a play I'm certainly
proud to be compared to the mind my
00:42:51.900 --> 00:42:57.340
models like you know like every other
people I didn't apply online but I had
00:42:57.340 --> 00:43:06.650
Robert Caro and Albert stem and gay
talese in mind when I woke is what I
00:43:06.650 --> 00:43:11.060
admire about them and if you look at
Robert Caro's power broker which is you
00:43:11.060 --> 00:43:19.590
know the great mysteries of new york
city centre Robert Moses powerful public
00:43:19.590 --> 00:43:24.960
official who built highways parks and
all that kind of stuff to make Carol
00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:29.600
human history book he makes all the
characters you know it reads like a
00:43:29.600 --> 00:43:35.710
great rich juicy novel if you read david
has lost and the powers that be about
00:43:35.710 --> 00:43:45.470
all the Greek media he makes all of the
Perry loose who created time the guy who
00:43:45.470 --> 00:43:47.630
created CBS News 9 Now
00:43:47.630 --> 00:43:59.610
really rich characters and as i sat down
to write my book i'm telling a story but
00:43:59.610 --> 00:44:04.570
I don't want it to be an academic and I
was blessed by having the actual path of
00:44:04.570 --> 00:44:09.350
character and your money they were
powerful they you know but in some ways
00:44:09.350 --> 00:44:16.450
but my book is about is about how you
acquire power how you use power and what
00:44:16.450 --> 00:44:22.850
power does to you and so I show how they
acquired the power to use the power and
00:44:22.850 --> 00:44:27.640
ultimately house or affected them and
believe me when they came they did not
00:44:27.640 --> 00:44:33.420
like to be quiet if you don't do what
they told you to do their work but I was
00:44:33.420 --> 00:44:38.410
reached after theatrical characters you
know Michael Bennet in david merrick Joe
00:44:38.410 --> 00:44:38.930
Pass
00:44:38.930 --> 00:44:43.690
and you know it produces we know how
many Asian bird liz mccann tommy tune in
00:44:43.690 --> 00:44:47.040
Antrim Cameron you know they're see
actual characters so they're inherently
00:44:47.040 --> 00:44:52.510
dramatic and compelling figures and
they're in a business where you know one
00:44:52.510 --> 00:44:58.170
senior the biggest of all your biggest
Seattle so that's what I'm trying to
00:44:58.170 --> 00:45:02.380
tell history but through a colorful cast
of characters that I think karen and and
00:45:02.380 --> 00:45:10.890
how much time do well now you know your
recounting of the tony night in which
00:45:10.890 --> 00:45:16.849
Dreamgirls was up against nine is
absolutely really it it really it really
00:45:16.849 --> 00:45:21.750
is in the end of the especially bit the
end of it was so amazing where I won't
00:45:21.750 --> 00:45:29.490
give the whole thing away but we're a
recount is demanded a very strong and he
00:45:29.490 --> 00:45:36.510
wanted to get so many was told that guy
who will readily cherry wood burned
00:45:36.510 --> 00:45:40.200
about precisely so we don't have this
problem and then carry it through the
00:45:40.200 --> 00:45:46.770
actions of the students have been defied
dream girl puts you in the county not
00:45:46.770 --> 00:45:52.079
time for heaven sakes and there must
wait for that attitude but Afghans ya at
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:54.339
Dreamgirls ran twice as long
00:45:54.339 --> 00:46:00.119
so really what's the problem yeah I know
you know Peter as well as I do everybody
00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:09.700
wants a Tony Award go listen i'd be
delighted if it were a mini-series you
00:46:09.700 --> 00:46:14.290
know I have a very good agent and i cant
announcer anything yet there was nothing
00:46:14.290 --> 00:46:20.480
to announce but yeah there's something
there I i dont know I mean I didn't
00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:27.270
write the book mini-series and I like
that I just wrote it because I knew
00:46:27.270 --> 00:46:33.990
these guys and I knew their stories I
knew their struggles and I thought if
00:46:33.990 --> 00:46:39.180
nobody writes this i mean I don't like
to snow was gonna do it I don't think
00:46:39.180 --> 00:46:43.020
anyone else could have put it together
the way did if only because I was there
00:46:43.020 --> 00:46:47.630
to let you know I knew gerry really well
I heard the stories very close to Phil
00:46:47.630 --> 00:46:50.330
Smith who had accompanied with a great
source
00:46:50.330 --> 00:46:55.640
know a lot of the old-time producers who
told me what it was like back days I
00:46:55.640 --> 00:47:00.270
just think if I had written it this
whole period in Broadway history would
00:47:00.270 --> 00:47:03.690
just kind of disappeared and we also say
you know broadway's this multi-billion
00:47:03.690 --> 00:47:12.030
dollar business for a billion dollars
every time we go to sleep at night in
00:47:12.030 --> 00:47:16.220
the struggle of you feel about me you
know you and when they burn injury Diane
00:47:16.220 --> 00:47:20.590
Disney comes on the scene you gonna tell
the next possible when Disney dominate
00:47:20.590 --> 00:47:26.880
you have these big successful shows like
like wicked in Jersey Boys my money and
00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:32.070
I said no that's not for me I am mindful
of something great director michael
00:47:32.070 --> 00:47:35.710
blakemore told him when he wrote his
number called arguments leading England
00:47:35.710 --> 00:47:39.520
which is what a great reader books and
it's about his struggle to make it in
00:47:39.520 --> 00:47:44.550
the London theatre scene and I asked him
any any any errands when he has his
00:47:44.550 --> 00:47:49.940
first West End hit which the day in the
death of Joe egg a subsidiary of the
00:47:49.940 --> 00:47:53.340
second part of your numbers and they
said no because the struggles
00:47:53.340 --> 00:47:58.330
interesting once you made it then it
just becomes how much money on me how
00:47:58.330 --> 00:48:03.820
many houses I'll what my new cars like I
know that's kind of it I don't have much
00:48:03.820 --> 00:48:09.120
to say about how much money Disney and
the people behind which people behind my
00:48:09.120 --> 00:48:14.030
mommy have made in the in the nineties
and the two thousands I was interested
00:48:14.030 --> 00:48:19.990
in a time when broadway the city in
Times Square we're really in trouble and
00:48:19.990 --> 00:48:24.940
how they were turned around and the
impact that influence the contribution
00:48:24.940 --> 00:48:28.930
that Broadway in the people who work on
broadway made to save the city the
00:48:28.930 --> 00:48:34.300
struggle is where the drama is and so
that's such a lie I want to tell maybe
00:48:34.300 --> 00:48:40.570
it might not be a whole book but I'd
love to read a long form story on
00:48:40.570 --> 00:48:43.270
cranberry from you
00:48:43.270 --> 00:48:47.240
well-manicured colorful characters
they're great you know I think they
00:48:47.240 --> 00:48:53.740
actually carried them to work on a
memoir joint memoir and her friend good
00:48:53.740 --> 00:48:58.350
speeches and she's she's great she's a
great storyteller and she really
00:48:58.350 --> 00:49:03.910
concentrating on the struggle when they
came from the world with the success
00:49:03.910 --> 00:49:10.410
Chicago but I leave I'll leave it to
them tell their story I want to read
00:49:10.410 --> 00:49:15.619
something this week which stunned me
into thinking for a few minutes and I'm
00:49:15.619 --> 00:49:20.260
going to read you this little this
little excerpt in church to get your
00:49:20.260 --> 00:49:25.990
feedback on this the quote is I
appreciate that times are tough for
00:49:25.990 --> 00:49:29.950
print media but I think it's both
irresponsible and shortsighted to
00:49:29.950 --> 00:49:33.780
diminish an industry that many consider
to be the lifeblood of New York City
00:49:33.780 --> 00:49:40.270
Broadway publicist Rick miramontez told
deadline that said only to have only
00:49:40.270 --> 00:49:45.170
having to endure Michael read all once a
week will make many of my colleagues and
00:49:45.170 --> 00:49:50.460
clients happy I'm sure how do you get
Rick miramontez to come to your defense
00:49:50.460 --> 00:49:57.270
and let let let everybody in listeners
might not know who rick is set to
00:49:57.270 --> 00:50:01.470
explain your break is that we should say
he was responding to the fact that I
00:50:01.470 --> 00:50:06.789
used to have a column twice a week
monday-friday deposed now I am just a
00:50:06.789 --> 00:50:11.079
private college and was responding to
that change and also responding to the
00:50:11.079 --> 00:50:15.430
fact that the Daily News just completely
devastated its its arts and
00:50:15.430 --> 00:50:19.940
entertainment division laid off 25
people not too long ago is great but the
00:50:19.940 --> 00:50:25.619
cheek we've been friends for years but I
do have to say not quite accurate that
00:50:25.619 --> 00:50:29.549
I've been cut back what has happened
that the posters that we've redesigned
00:50:29.549 --> 00:50:38.910
our section so each day is different to
you so Monday's its travel today is open
00:50:38.910 --> 00:50:44.960
fitness Wednesday's dining Thursday is
relationships and Fridays entertained so
00:50:44.960 --> 00:50:50.369
they've given me a full page on Friday
so I had the same number of words each
00:50:50.369 --> 00:50:54.349
week I had with two columns only now
they come together and one in our
00:50:54.349 --> 00:50:58.890
entertainment section on Friday so in
many ways back to when I started doing
00:50:58.890 --> 00:51:05.559
what I'm gas main page on Friday and
then they split up over time do they
00:51:05.559 --> 00:51:10.210
rely on paper background so I'm
basically the last of the Broadway
00:51:10.210 --> 00:51:14.200
harvesters there's no other not none of
the other newspapers and stan has a
00:51:14.200 --> 00:51:17.329
weekly Broadway column I I'm really in
the end of the law
00:51:17.329 --> 00:51:21.930
line of the walter winchell's dirty
chilled out the insolvency and people
00:51:21.930 --> 00:51:28.959
forget this potential with a break on
Friday your time your account
00:51:28.959 --> 00:51:33.069
discontinued its critical of years ago
when I left the Daily News years ago
00:51:33.069 --> 00:51:36.469
they never replace near the theater
columnist at newsday got rid of its
00:51:36.469 --> 00:51:45.009
intercom along time ago so pretty much
you can stop bein stick me in the last
00:51:45.009 --> 00:51:51.579
column which is i think im sad
expression of newspaper mental covered
00:51:51.579 --> 00:51:58.289
michael thank you for giving us an error
if your time I really appreciate it
00:51:58.289 --> 00:52:04.160
razzle-dazzle the battle for broadway is
available everywhere you can get it and
00:52:04.160 --> 00:52:07.869
Michael we have any book signings where
people can come down and get your
00:52:07.869 --> 00:52:13.279
signature headlines recently Barnes and
Noble and now I'm about to go on a book
00:52:13.279 --> 00:52:17.969
tour so I leave on Wednesday for about a
week and a half to get some of the big
00:52:17.969 --> 00:52:23.269
cities in the west coast so you can see
me and you and the simon schuster
00:52:23.269 --> 00:52:25.709
website that lists all the places
immunity but you can see me in the
00:52:25.709 --> 00:52:31.209
coming weeks Denver San Diego Los
Angeles San Francisco and Portland well
00:52:31.209 --> 00:52:35.930
I will put a link to the same ship she
choose to your website with your
00:52:35.930 --> 00:52:40.259
schedule in our show notes for our
listeners seek it out to see Michael
00:52:40.259 --> 00:52:45.209
please go out and buy this book and
support him because you know the
00:52:45.209 --> 00:52:56.279
newspaper is a very tough he might be
unemployed tomorrow so much money there
00:52:56.279 --> 00:52:58.090
is an absence
00:52:58.090 --> 00:53:06.460
as we talked to Peter from his peer edit
and South of France alright you have a
00:53:06.460 --> 00:53:13.410
great time it will speak to you soon but
I okay so let's do our periodic
00:53:13.410 --> 00:53:17.930
hopefully monthly roundup of television
and film as it relates to Broadway am at
00:53:17.930 --> 00:53:21.920
Tammany news can you give us a run down
some at what's happening with the win is
00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:27.810
well the winds rehearsals are in full
swing you're seeing a lot of publicity
00:53:27.810 --> 00:53:32.400
materials and pictures coming out a lot
of the friends as they're being called
00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:37.930
Dorothy and her friends and costume so
that's always fun there was a little bit
00:53:37.930 --> 00:53:40.530
of news this week in terms of the songs
that are included
00:53:40.530 --> 00:53:44.300
fierstein is reworking to script a
little bit and it looks like there's
00:53:44.300 --> 00:53:49.380
going to be some material incorporated
from the movie the song you can't win
00:53:49.380 --> 00:53:53.310
which was actually cut from the Broadway
version and then some by Michael
00:53:53.310 --> 00:53:57.090
Jackson's scarecrow in the movie that's
gonna be sung by Elijah Kelley is
00:53:57.090 --> 00:54:03.480
playing the Scarecrow into his life so
that's kinda need for people who hate
00:54:03.480 --> 00:54:08.880
people that enjoy the movie version of
the way is to to get to see that also
00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:13.830
something that's a little more suspect
is is the hip hop artist Neos playing
00:54:13.830 --> 00:54:18.100
the 10 man he apparently is writing a
new song for the show we haven't really
00:54:18.100 --> 00:54:21.110
heard where that's going to be
incorporated into the production whether
00:54:21.110 --> 00:54:25.940
that's going to be in the normal looking
narrative of the show or it'll be be be
00:54:25.940 --> 00:54:29.200
something to play the beginning or
during the end credits but neo is
00:54:29.200 --> 00:54:32.860
writing a new song for the winds live
with whatever that means at this point
00:54:32.860 --> 00:54:37.880
so if they read new song will it be
ineligible then that's a good point
00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:42.970
probably it probably would be it's a
it's a little different criteria then
00:54:42.970 --> 00:54:48.940
like the the Oscars had a receipt you
know I'm writing random songs and
00:54:48.940 --> 00:54:52.720
sticking in there just for Oscar
eligibility but I'm sure would be doing
00:54:52.720 --> 00:54:55.800
and that's I hadn't thought about that
aspect of it that's that's pretty
00:54:55.800 --> 00:55:00.010
interesting and remind listeners when do
is going to be playing that is going to
00:55:00.010 --> 00:55:05.420
be December 3rd on NBC it will be live
on the east coast at eight o'clock and
00:55:05.420 --> 00:55:08.810
then tape delayed in the other time zone
00:55:08.810 --> 00:55:14.840
and you know if there's any chance of it
playing internationally I don't know
00:55:14.840 --> 00:55:17.560
they did announce that they would be
they are ready now so it will be
00:55:17.560 --> 00:55:22.690
retiring as they have with Peter Pan and
sound of music but I'm not sure if it'll
00:55:22.690 --> 00:55:27.010
be an international yet I guess that's a
check your local listings kind of
00:55:27.010 --> 00:55:27.620
situation
00:55:27.620 --> 00:55:35.980
alright and upcoming Greece production
gonna be on Fox's it is Fox this when
00:55:35.980 --> 00:55:40.710
starting to take shape we we heard a lot
more about the winds early on the crease
00:55:40.710 --> 00:55:45.150
life is going to be on Fox on January
31st of 2016 so it is rapidly
00:55:45.150 --> 00:55:48.850
approaching we've learned a lot more
about the casting and we're starting to
00:55:48.850 --> 00:55:53.710
be able to glean some information about
what this is gonna look like with the
00:55:53.710 --> 00:55:57.020
casting one of the things that kind of
jumped out at me I get to some of the
00:55:57.020 --> 00:56:02.880
other ones is that David Del Rio who
replaced Robin hey suzie is sunny and in
00:56:02.880 --> 00:56:07.480
the heights on his casting is is great
to have a broad person on there but the
00:56:07.480 --> 00:56:10.900
role he's playing kind of shows you
little bit about where this is going
00:56:10.900 --> 00:56:15.920
he will be playing footsie so if you are
familiar with the stage version you know
00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:20.690
there is no t-bird named Patsy in the
stage version however that is the
00:56:20.690 --> 00:56:25.310
character of Roger how he was named in
the movie version so I think what this
00:56:25.310 --> 00:56:32.190
is telling us is that while the sound of
music live and and Peter Pan live on NBC
00:56:32.190 --> 00:56:36.130
have kind of stuck closer to the stage
versions I have a feeling we're going to
00:56:36.130 --> 00:56:42.020
see more of the of the grease movie from
this now that being said the stage
00:56:42.020 --> 00:56:45.200
gripped Greece gets revived about every
three or four years whenever they bring
00:56:45.200 --> 00:56:48.790
a new revival so who knows what that
means but I thought that was kind of
00:56:48.790 --> 00:56:52.410
interesting in terms of the casting that
they did straight-up go with one of the
00:56:52.410 --> 00:56:56.480
characters names from the movie as
opposed to the stage version we've also
00:56:56.480 --> 00:57:00.600
had some other pretty interesting
Broadway related casting Carly Rae
00:57:00.600 --> 00:57:04.250
Jepsen who did a stand and Cinderella
few years ago we were playing frenchie
00:57:04.250 --> 00:57:08.250
Kelly McLemore from bring it on the
music on Thursday musical she'll be
00:57:08.250 --> 00:57:14.820
playing everybody's favorite cheerleader
yet again patty Simcox Mario Lopez wow
00:57:14.820 --> 00:57:18.910
some Broadway people know him from A
Chorus Line he'll always be AC Slater to
00:57:18.910 --> 00:57:21.400
me he will be fenced Fontaine
00:57:21.400 --> 00:57:26.540
and Noah Robbins who was in the recent I
guess not recent all that much anymore
00:57:26.540 --> 00:57:30.760
but the Broadway revival of the last
decade of Arcadia in the brain Beach
00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:35.010
memoirs he will be playing Eugene so
there's quite a few a broadway
00:57:35.010 --> 00:57:39.330
connections in the cast british pop
singer Jessie J is gonna sing grease is
00:57:39.330 --> 00:57:40.670
the word open the show
00:57:40.670 --> 00:57:46.510
Frankie Valli in the movie there are
still some major parts I haven't been
00:57:46.510 --> 00:57:52.410
cast sunny the t-birds sunny miss lynch
or if they go with the movie version
00:57:52.410 --> 00:57:58.110
again principal McGee hasn't been cashed
cha cha DiGregorio the teen angel
00:57:58.110 --> 00:58:02.840
haven't been cashed yet although there
are rumors for a lot of these characters
00:58:02.840 --> 00:58:06.330
everyone from Nick Jonas to Olivia
Newton John Martin Short are being
00:58:06.330 --> 00:58:10.640
rumored due to have parts in the show so
I'd imagine with rehearsal starting
00:58:10.640 --> 00:58:14.540
somewhere in the first two weeks of
November that we should be getting a
00:58:14.540 --> 00:58:21.700
little more information in the coming
days and weeks and also in the news this
00:58:21.700 --> 00:58:28.700
week is that to talk about the casting
in the Rocky Horror Show Frank yeah Dr
00:58:28.700 --> 00:58:33.180
Fox announced both Greece live in Rocky
Horror pretty much the same time but
00:58:33.180 --> 00:58:38.860
they announced a specific date for
Greece right away in the neg kind of
00:58:38.860 --> 00:58:42.080
never really cemented a date for Rocky
Horror but we did find out this week
00:58:42.080 --> 00:58:47.340
that it's gonna be fall 2016 so little
less than a year from now and they did
00:58:47.340 --> 00:58:52.560
cast Dr Frank N Furter with Laverne Cox
for people who don't know Laverne Cox
00:58:52.560 --> 00:58:57.380
who plays a social person on the new
black and last year she became the first
00:58:57.380 --> 00:59:02.160
transgender person ever nominated for an
Emmy so the casting is is pretty
00:59:02.160 --> 00:59:06.650
interesting for this part and not only
is she an african-american woman but to
00:59:06.650 --> 00:59:12.710
be transgender and play this part of the
sweet transvestite is is pretty cool so
00:59:12.710 --> 00:59:16.480
I'm excited to see what that what that
means for the rest of the casting if
00:59:16.480 --> 00:59:20.200
we're going to base the timetable on
casting for Rocky Horror off the
00:59:20.200 --> 00:59:25.080
timetable for Greece I'd imagine we'd
start to get a few more pieces of
00:59:25.080 --> 00:59:29.000
information of a bigger name people now
that we're about a year out which is
00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:33.550
what Greece did with Julia Hoffman
Vanessa Hudgens and then as we get
00:59:33.550 --> 00:59:34.840
closer some more things
00:59:34.840 --> 00:59:39.440
go out but this is a pretty interesting
first first salvo into the casting so
00:59:39.440 --> 00:59:41.600
it'll be trying to see where they go
from there
00:59:41.600 --> 00:59:45.820
do you think they're gonna push Rocky
Horror later into the evening has a more
00:59:45.820 --> 00:59:51.400
adult thing that family fare well I do I
don't think they can and here's why Fox
00:59:51.400 --> 00:59:55.950
has already said it's gonna be a
two-hour event and for people who
00:59:55.950 --> 01:00:00.120
watched a lot of Fox they know that Fox
only has two hours in prime time they
01:00:00.120 --> 01:00:04.670
only have from eight to 10 and in local
news on Fox's in the local market area
01:00:04.670 --> 01:00:08.080
10 o'clock so they really only have the
eight to ten o'clock time slot unless
01:00:08.080 --> 01:00:13.490
day unless they work something out with
the local markets which I just don't see
01:00:13.490 --> 01:00:18.200
happening that is such a huge issue that
would be unprecedented so I imagine
01:00:18.200 --> 01:00:24.710
we're gonna get an eight to 10 with
strong parental suggestions so mad
01:00:24.710 --> 01:00:31.090
correct me if I'm wrong you grew up in
the in the heart of american the Ohio
01:00:31.090 --> 01:00:38.570
area I did a Columbus Ohio native yes
and is it is it more conservative than
01:00:38.570 --> 01:00:43.500
the East Coast and I wonder what do you
think is there going to be any pushback
01:00:43.500 --> 01:00:49.200
from the affiliates sometimes he
affiliates get crazy not specifically
01:00:49.200 --> 01:00:52.480
Ohio but other television affiliates in
the middle of the country
01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:58.560
push back on things that show yeah I
would say hi was probably not as as
01:00:58.560 --> 01:01:02.230
conservative as some of the other places
more in the central part of the rascal
01:01:02.230 --> 01:01:08.080
yeah and I lived in I did live in Kansas
for a year and that would be far more
01:01:08.080 --> 01:01:12.970
conservative you know it'll be
interesting I think that this is such a
01:01:12.970 --> 01:01:18.550
known property that I think especially
if a time it with Halloween next year
01:01:18.550 --> 01:01:24.200
which they very well might do it might
not get as much pushback but in a vacuum
01:01:24.200 --> 01:01:29.420
I would imagine the the content of Rocky
Horror Show on TV
01:01:29.420 --> 01:01:35.980
would withdraw some higher from certain
parental councils that often make noise
01:01:35.980 --> 01:01:39.590
on things like this I i I just kind of
assumed at this point that Rocky Horror
01:01:39.590 --> 01:01:44.339
so well known that I I would imagine we
would get a whole
01:01:44.339 --> 01:01:52.009
news out of that alright so tell me
about what's happening in for BBC well
01:01:52.009 --> 01:01:57.339
staying with Rocky Horror there is a
current Rocky Horror tour going on in
01:01:57.339 --> 01:02:02.619
the UK and BBC America will be
broadcasting a special production of
01:02:02.619 --> 01:02:07.049
that on Halloween night so it's it's
actually at midnight on Halloween night
01:02:07.049 --> 01:02:10.940
sweats technically November 1st I had to
double check that because the midnight
01:02:10.940 --> 01:02:15.759
thing always serves me for a little but
it is the the current UK touring
01:02:15.759 --> 01:02:20.890
production rocky horror creator Richard
O'Brien is going to actually play the
01:02:20.890 --> 01:02:25.079
narrator in this news got some other
British celebrities to come in and play
01:02:25.079 --> 01:02:30.229
the narrator there's some clips online
of Baby Spice MI bunten doing some of
01:02:30.229 --> 01:02:34.670
the narrator bid in doing a song other
people like Stephen Fry and Anthony Head
01:02:34.670 --> 01:02:39.799
are involved as well so it'll be cool to
kind of get a little look at Rocky
01:02:39.799 --> 01:02:45.910
Horror on TV before we wait for our
American version about a year later
01:02:45.910 --> 01:02:51.059
alright and tell us more about like a
live from Lincoln Center
01:02:51.059 --> 01:02:56.559
some some good stage productions that
have happened recently and coming up
01:02:56.559 --> 01:03:03.079
we've seen in the last few weeks Billy
Elliot live and and showboat from New
01:03:03.079 --> 01:03:07.210
York still with normal this nasa
Williams Lea Salonga Lauren Worsham
01:03:07.210 --> 01:03:11.719
Julian Ovenden you can check your local
listings Billy for Billy Elliot and
01:03:11.719 --> 01:03:16.299
showboat those could still be playing in
your area depending on your PBS schedule
01:03:16.299 --> 01:03:21.210
however coming up on November 13th is
the Broadway production of Act one
01:03:21.210 --> 01:03:27.390
starring Tony Shalhoub Andrew Martin
Santino Fontana the story of MAS heart
01:03:27.390 --> 01:03:34.069
directed in and adapted by James Lapine
so that'll be a good one to see a recent
01:03:34.069 --> 01:03:38.239
broadway show on PBS and that's one of
the great things about live from Lincoln
01:03:38.239 --> 01:03:42.509
Center you really can't get anywhere
else on TV and one of the valuable
01:03:42.509 --> 01:03:46.920
things that PBS provides that you don't
see on any of the other suppose it arts
01:03:46.920 --> 01:03:51.029
channel state have gone by the wayside
on cable television
01:03:51.029 --> 01:03:52.710
all right hand
01:03:52.710 --> 01:03:57.060
we seem to have a lot of Broadway stars
on TV coming up so when she read us
01:03:57.060 --> 01:04:01.740
through some of those yeah I think you
said this is going to come out on on
01:04:01.740 --> 01:04:08.089
Monday October 26 so that means tonight
is the series premiere of Supergirl on
01:04:08.089 --> 01:04:12.930
CBS and while you know you don't hear
think I think of Supergirl is being a
01:04:12.930 --> 01:04:16.390
broadway property they do have a lot of
musical theatre carry-over in this
01:04:16.390 --> 01:04:22.619
starring as Supergirl is Melissa Benoist
who starred in glee and whiplash the
01:04:22.619 --> 01:04:27.410
Academy Award winning film last year but
then some of her peripheral characters
01:04:27.410 --> 01:04:33.470
are are Broadway favorites Jeremy Jordan
who plays one of her coworkers and
01:04:33.470 --> 01:04:38.040
actually one of the first people she
tells that she she is super girl and
01:04:38.040 --> 01:04:43.280
then playing super girls Kryptonian
mother is everybody's favorite Tony
01:04:43.280 --> 01:04:48.130
winner Laura Benanti so so that's a lot
of fun and I will say I have seen the
01:04:48.130 --> 01:04:53.460
the pilot at O'Hare tomorrow night or
Monday night and Laura Benanti as part
01:04:53.460 --> 01:04:57.880
as the mother is a little more involved
than you would think just from Sunday's
01:04:57.880 --> 01:05:02.200
Super Girl methyl so if you are Laura
Benanti fan it'll be it'll be important
01:05:02.200 --> 01:05:09.680
to check this one out then sticking with
CBS airs on CBS CBS tends to be the
01:05:09.680 --> 01:05:13.660
network for whatever reason maybe I
think more shows on CBS tape in New York
01:05:13.660 --> 01:05:18.710
than others but there's a lot of good
Broadway stars always on CBS shows
01:05:18.710 --> 01:05:26.170
especially on The Good Wife the episode
that is going to err on 225th so on
01:05:26.170 --> 01:05:30.440
Sunday the 25th will star Peter
Gallagher he's actually starting as a
01:05:30.440 --> 01:05:35.099
recurring role will be teamed up with
Christine branson's character on a
01:05:35.099 --> 01:05:40.540
physician assisted suicide case and
actually Peter Gallagher is also joining
01:05:40.540 --> 01:05:45.450
the cast of law in order to season in
IndyCar all just recently joined him in
01:05:45.450 --> 01:05:49.359
a recurring role as his son so many
Carla and Peter Gallagher was just seen
01:05:49.359 --> 01:05:52.800
on Broadway in on the 20th century and
other playing father and son on Law and
01:05:52.800 --> 01:05:59.310
Order SVU so always check in with that
there really isn't anything better for
01:05:59.310 --> 01:06:03.760
the TV careers of Broadway performers in
the Law and Order franchise so it's good
01:06:03.760 --> 01:06:06.130
to see that that still happening and
actually on
01:06:06.130 --> 01:06:11.430
this Thursday's episode a Christopher
Sieber from a currently in Matilda and
01:06:11.430 --> 01:06:16.589
then Geneva car currently in hand to God
they will star as you gotta love SVU
01:06:16.589 --> 01:06:23.849
they will star in a Duggar family
inspired episode that it can only be
01:06:23.849 --> 01:06:29.130
equally funny and creepy and in a way
that only as he can do so that's fine
01:06:29.130 --> 01:06:33.559
and dandy Carl will be actually playing
one of the detectives leading up that
01:06:33.559 --> 01:06:38.089
case let it be fun to see them abt
carlin Christopher Sieber will will
01:06:38.089 --> 01:06:46.190
break out in song at some point there's
a couple more shows coming up this dick
01:06:46.190 --> 01:06:49.859
wolf who is the creator of the Law and
Order franchise now that law and order
01:06:49.859 --> 01:06:53.680
for the most part has gone down wound
down other than SVU he started up a
01:06:53.680 --> 01:06:58.400
Chicago series of shows the Chicago Fire
Chicago PDE the third installment
01:06:58.400 --> 01:07:03.779
Chicago med kicks off on november
seventeenth also on NBC and that's going
01:07:03.779 --> 01:07:08.599
to star Colin Donnell are Colin Donnell
I'm sorry oliver plan as a paper
01:07:08.599 --> 01:07:15.559
Merkerson all Broadway fav so that'll be
fun to see them then another shoulda
01:07:15.559 --> 01:07:20.369
just had some big casting announcements
that will start in this summer of 2016
01:07:20.369 --> 01:07:26.000
is a show called brain-dead also on CBS
and that's gonna star Aaron Tveit and
01:07:26.000 --> 01:07:32.420
Nikki M James so some big-time young
Broadway stars transitioning over to TV
01:07:32.420 --> 01:07:37.660
it's said to be a comic thriller that
has Park politics and part medical
01:07:37.660 --> 01:07:43.119
intrigued but it is a a a little bit of
a comedy so I'm hoping that with a show
01:07:43.119 --> 01:07:47.349
titled named brain-dead that we get some
zombies I don't know there hasn't been a
01:07:47.349 --> 01:07:51.670
whole lot released but I'm a big zombie
fans are hoping that Aaron Tveit Niki
01:07:51.670 --> 01:07:59.079
James can end up being zombie hunters in
some form or fashion what about madam
01:07:59.079 --> 01:08:04.369
secretary madam secretary is one that
always has some guest stars it in its
01:08:04.369 --> 01:08:09.430
regular cast you've got one from bebe
neuwirth you've got patina Miller you've
01:08:09.430 --> 01:08:15.400
got Eric Berg and they're always and
Stephanie J blocks husband Sebastian
01:08:15.400 --> 01:08:19.529
Michaelis I don't even know if that's
pronounced correctly than I do
01:08:19.529 --> 01:08:25.009
he's in the castle they've always got a
great Broadway folks in fact if you
01:08:25.009 --> 01:08:29.699
haven't seen it a couple episodes ago it
was kinda bad say that a big
01:08:29.699 --> 01:08:37.489
washingtonDC fundraiser patina Miller
bebe neuwirth and Eric Burdon they
01:08:37.489 --> 01:08:44.569
saying a reworked parody of Billy Joel
song was it for the longest time and it
01:08:44.569 --> 01:08:48.690
was the longest time if you haven't seen
that and you and you like those
01:08:48.690 --> 01:08:53.529
performers which most broadway folks do
that's really cool to check out it's
01:08:53.529 --> 01:08:57.170
kind of nice to see the three of them
harmonizing on a Billy Joel song on
01:08:57.170 --> 01:09:01.029
national television I forgot to ask you
before you know if she commented shot
01:09:01.029 --> 01:09:05.409
New York know they all three of those
Chicago shows are actually shot and in
01:09:05.409 --> 01:09:12.329
Chicago so all of those folks have have
relocated to Chicago for filming ok and
01:09:12.329 --> 01:09:18.230
you'll Patrick Harris's show best time
ever how they doin what do you think
01:09:18.230 --> 01:09:22.429
about it that first episode of you
followed Twitter during that first
01:09:22.429 --> 01:09:30.839
episode you saw everything from high
praise to the worst forms of insults
01:09:30.839 --> 01:09:34.500
that you can imagine for a show but I
think that speaks to what that show
01:09:34.500 --> 01:09:38.940
really is I've checked it out from here
and there but I know a lot of people
01:09:38.940 --> 01:09:42.989
have gone from my parents to people
younger than me that that love the show
01:09:42.989 --> 01:09:50.929
it is such a kooky variety show that has
everything from people jumping off
01:09:50.929 --> 01:09:58.659
buildings with celebrities to random
fathers dancing shirtless to embarrass
01:09:58.659 --> 01:10:03.000
their families on national television
there's that you can do that there you
01:10:03.000 --> 01:10:08.760
go the dad body is very popular right
now James but then I watched an episode
01:10:08.760 --> 01:10:13.980
where a woman was pulled up on stage on
but you know didn't really know what was
01:10:13.980 --> 01:10:19.639
going on and then kneel showed a video
of her boyfriend doing all these crazy
01:10:19.639 --> 01:10:22.579
things that she had no idea that he had
done traveling different parts of the
01:10:22.579 --> 01:10:27.159
country doing little bits and then it
ended up with a proposal on stage so
01:10:27.159 --> 01:10:31.070
it's just a really fun thing he always
seemed to have some sort of nineteen
01:10:31.070 --> 01:10:32.480
seventies disco
01:10:32.480 --> 01:10:38.420
active there everyone from Gloria Gaynor
I think the weather girls saying it's
01:10:38.420 --> 01:10:42.620
raining men at one point so it's been a
really interesting show in the ratings
01:10:42.620 --> 01:10:47.170
have been pretty good they change time
slots which was a lot people just assume
01:10:47.170 --> 01:10:50.000
that's because it wasn't doing one this
time so that was actually always the
01:10:50.000 --> 01:10:55.470
plan was to move from ten o'clock to
eight o'clock when more shows joined the
01:10:55.470 --> 01:11:01.420
schedule but it's done well and it's a
show that was a long shot to have
01:11:01.420 --> 01:11:08.850
success just because of how random it
was it's based on the BBC format a
01:11:08.850 --> 01:11:13.080
variety show the wheaties don't have
here in the united states and it's been
01:11:13.080 --> 01:11:18.010
more successful than I thought it would
be an end anytime you can see Patrick
01:11:18.010 --> 01:11:24.200
Harris on TV I'm I'm fine with that is
he having any focus on Broadway I mean
01:11:24.200 --> 01:11:29.040
they're shooting in New York they are
shooting in New York but I only checked
01:11:29.040 --> 01:11:31.050
in here and there but I haven't heard
anything
01:11:31.050 --> 01:11:36.300
yea or seen anything in the episodes
that I've seen other than having you
01:11:36.300 --> 01:11:41.120
know maybe there might have been a
glorious Stefan was on this past week I
01:11:41.120 --> 01:11:45.580
think I'm sure they mentioned on your
feet coming to broadway but that is far
01:11:45.580 --> 01:11:49.100
as I know that's the closest Broadway
connection they've had so far
01:11:49.100 --> 01:11:55.690
anything that's up-and-coming that we
should learn are there is a lot of good
01:11:55.690 --> 01:11:59.950
stage shows coming to movie theaters
across the country here in the next few
01:11:59.950 --> 01:12:06.170
weeks to celebrate the film version of
Oklahoma 60th anniversary is coming back
01:12:06.170 --> 01:12:13.060
to theaters on November 1st and it's a
little interesting at the beginning I'm
01:12:13.060 --> 01:12:16.590
not sure that I'll be before the curtain
did the scheduled curtain time or maybe
01:12:16.590 --> 01:12:21.760
if you go to see a lot of these things
they often have some some pre features
01:12:21.760 --> 01:12:25.810
going on but twenty winner an emmy
winner and Oklahoma native Kristin
01:12:25.810 --> 01:12:30.320
Chenoweth is gonna be doing some song
performances that were filmed at 54
01:12:30.320 --> 01:12:35.930
below so anytime you are you can see
Kristen saying it's a good thing even if
01:12:35.930 --> 01:12:39.060
it is on on the big screen which we
really haven't gotten a chance to see
01:12:39.060 --> 01:12:43.370
how that much so if you're in Oklahoma
fan definitely check your
01:12:43.370 --> 01:12:47.760
your local theaters to see where that's
playing so that should be pretty cool
01:12:47.760 --> 01:12:52.450
there's been some some videos released
her doing some of the songs had a time
01:12:52.450 --> 01:12:56.410
kind of two to get the word out but that
should be that should be really cool and
01:12:56.410 --> 01:13:03.210
then a couple days later on on November
3rd the West End production the reason
01:13:03.210 --> 01:13:07.330
West End production of The Importance of
Being Earnest starring David Suchet will
01:13:07.330 --> 01:13:11.250
be playing in theaters if you're
unfamiliar with with David Suchet he
01:13:11.250 --> 01:13:17.600
played Hercule Poirot for 25 years i
think is what it was on the BBC's
01:13:17.600 --> 01:13:23.520
Hercule Poirot mysteries he'll be
playing Lady Bracknell which is why
01:13:23.520 --> 01:13:27.160
don't I don't know when that was I think
it was just with the recent the recent
01:13:27.160 --> 01:13:31.180
Broadway revival that came from London
that Lady Bracknell is now always played
01:13:31.180 --> 01:13:34.790
by a man I don't know when that happened
but he will be playing Lady Bracknell
01:13:34.790 --> 01:13:40.540
and then based on the huge success that
happened earlier this fall on November
01:13:40.540 --> 01:13:45.730
10th and tlie National Theatre live is
bringing back Benedict Cumberbatch's
01:13:45.730 --> 01:13:50.730
hamlet from the bar bacondo bearish on
again on November 10th so that's always
01:13:50.730 --> 01:13:54.510
fun I missed it the first time so I was
scrambling to find other times that is
01:13:54.510 --> 01:13:57.320
just coming out and then they eventually
announced that it was coming back to
01:13:57.320 --> 01:14:02.420
tourists so that's fine and then until
I've also has a production of Coriolanus
01:14:02.420 --> 01:14:10.260
that will be coming up this fall as well
I didn't write down the the the date on
01:14:10.260 --> 01:14:16.430
that I'll grab that stars olivier winner
in and marble Dylan Tom will stain and
01:14:16.430 --> 01:14:21.910
Hadley Fraser and that one will be back
to my notes that will be on November 12
01:14:21.910 --> 01:14:25.300
so Coriolanus November 12 and then
finally coming up at the end of November
01:14:25.300 --> 01:14:30.880
on the 30th Shakespeare's The Winter's
Tale starring Dame Judi Dench kenneth
01:14:30.880 --> 01:14:35.030
branaugh and and Hadley Fraser will also
be will be in theaters so a lot of good
01:14:35.030 --> 01:14:40.770
classic theater coming to movie screens
across the country so that's always fun
01:14:40.770 --> 01:14:46.010
and it makes for good night out for
theater fans do you have a roundup on
01:14:46.010 --> 01:14:50.250
broader world that we can point your
listeners to to see what's coming up we
01:14:50.250 --> 01:14:53.730
do we have a stage and screen section
that I think has
01:14:53.730 --> 01:15:00.070
has a calorie counter with all that also
has some some information on the TV
01:15:00.070 --> 01:15:04.330
musicals and stuff as well all rights to
me that link I put it in the show notes
01:15:04.330 --> 01:15:09.290
listening and there's a lot of stuff
that just went by maybe you can get over
01:15:09.290 --> 01:15:14.140
to broader video.com click on the link
and see all the stuff that met in the
01:15:14.140 --> 01:15:18.840
team over burger world has compiled for
what's coming up on TV and film so that
01:15:18.840 --> 01:15:23.280
kinda wraps up the TV and film section
Matt how are your Ohio State Buckeyes
01:15:23.280 --> 01:15:27.040
doing their the number one team in the
country undefeated we've made a
01:15:27.040 --> 01:15:32.700
quarterback change that has made quite
the difference despite having a
01:15:32.700 --> 01:15:36.220
twenty-one game win streak we look like
a brand new team beaten beaten Rutgers
01:15:36.220 --> 01:15:41.700
last night so I apologize any records
alums in the new york listening area but
01:15:41.700 --> 01:15:46.489
we ended up winning was 49 to seven so
we'll take it i mean you know we will
01:15:46.489 --> 01:15:50.640
take it big games coming up Minnesota
Illinois Michigan state-michigan
01:15:50.640 --> 01:15:55.210
shop ended the season you don't use that
word that last one we don't don't use
01:15:55.210 --> 01:16:00.739
that word YM word word is that the
school up north of that team up north we
01:16:00.739 --> 01:16:04.110
never used that word during football
season so I'll forgive you this time
01:16:04.110 --> 01:16:08.830
James you're not a native Ohio and so
will overlook it will you be my Penn
01:16:08.830 --> 01:16:14.160
State Nittany Lions pretty good 38 ends
up there are quite a few BroadwayWorld
01:16:14.160 --> 01:16:19.920
staffers who are either we have our
Managing Editor nicole is a broadway
01:16:19.920 --> 01:16:26.250
Penn State alarm and our features editor
Karen robbins her daughter is a freshman
01:16:26.250 --> 01:16:30.750
at Penn State so we had some fun
conference calls leading up to that game
01:16:30.750 --> 01:16:35.140
so I tried not to rub it in too much
afterwards
01:16:35.140 --> 01:16:39.870
Matt well thanks so much for joining us
on Friday video and you know come back
01:16:39.870 --> 01:16:41.810
in November and tell us what's going on
01:16:41.810 --> 01:16:46.720
anytime you want ok so let's get into
our reviews for the morning Michael and
01:16:46.720 --> 01:16:50.470
Peter both got a chance to check out to
the Paper Mill Playhouse in Millburn New
01:16:50.470 --> 01:16:56.550
Jersey and see bandstand so cute when
she shot herself with that well this is
01:16:56.550 --> 01:17:02.110
the world's first post traumatic stress
disorder musical it is it it deals with
01:17:02.110 --> 01:17:03.580
a guy who comes back
01:17:03.580 --> 01:17:07.410
from the war and who might you
01:17:07.410 --> 01:17:13.420
yes good point I would actually is too
many was good price that we have been
01:17:13.420 --> 01:17:17.280
part of the point of it is that people
didn't really use that term that that's
01:17:17.280 --> 01:17:22.230
fair that's exactly right that didn't
look to the vietnam was so this is a
01:17:22.230 --> 01:17:26.610
nice reminder that people came back from
any war we're having trouble readjusting
01:17:26.610 --> 01:17:34.000
and where most conservative Nina Ricci
who wants to start a band and become
01:17:34.000 --> 01:17:38.850
successful and that's part of the
problem it's much more about his morning
01:17:38.850 --> 01:17:45.220
success than it is about his coming to
terms with what happened in the war now
01:17:45.220 --> 01:17:49.840
some of the other members of the band
camp problems too
01:17:49.840 --> 01:17:53.770
as a result of being in more and we
touch upon those very very lightly
01:17:53.770 --> 01:17:57.830
because most of the time spent about
this guy wanting to get ahead here and
01:17:57.830 --> 01:18:02.090
be very much a Robert De Niro's
character Jimmy Doyle in new york new
01:18:02.090 --> 01:18:05.560
york the type of guy who will not take
no for an answer the guy you must have
01:18:05.560 --> 01:18:07.240
everything his own way
01:18:07.240 --> 01:18:13.940
well anyway he also had a buddy who died
in the law and now he goes to meet the
01:18:13.940 --> 01:18:19.430
widow and decides that she's going to be
in the Bantu so and he's much more
01:18:19.430 --> 01:18:24.520
concerned about the fact that she be
there and be a good singer
01:18:24.520 --> 01:18:31.010
the news about her concerns that she has
as a war widow now I think they're
01:18:31.010 --> 01:18:33.530
missing a great opportunity here and I'm
gonna tell you what I think should
01:18:33.530 --> 01:18:40.230
happen right away it should be much more
about his wanting to help her and her
01:18:40.230 --> 01:18:44.120
mother by the way that level playing a
very small world but playing it well
01:18:44.120 --> 01:18:48.980
laura is this by the way is very good
but she doesn't have all that much to do
01:18:48.980 --> 01:18:54.350
either as the war widow know we're
really concerned about to honey and he's
01:18:54.350 --> 01:18:59.150
played by Corey Clark wonderfully a
galvanic only find performance nothing
01:18:59.150 --> 01:19:03.510
wrong with what he's doing it's what
he's been given to say that's the
01:19:03.510 --> 01:19:04.080
problem
01:19:04.080 --> 01:19:09.270
ok well here's the thing and my
suggestion would be that he budge be
01:19:09.270 --> 01:19:12.119
much more concerned about helping
01:19:12.119 --> 01:19:17.219
the war widow and mother and it will be
such an easy thing to do because what
01:19:17.219 --> 01:19:20.929
they could stress is these women had
jobs during the law and now suddenly
01:19:20.929 --> 01:19:26.999
they don't because men have come back
from the war and so if you wanted to be
01:19:26.999 --> 01:19:32.169
noble and use the success of the ban to
help their I think that would be a very
01:19:32.169 --> 01:19:39.070
very good move for the show music spine
Richard over a very good composure and
01:19:39.070 --> 01:19:42.959
he and rubber tailored to the book and
lyrics which I as i say less successful
01:19:42.959 --> 01:19:48.309
I'm getting a little tired of seeing
this unit said at Paper Mill is the
01:19:48.309 --> 01:19:53.119
third show in a row it's almost the same
set things that come out of the wings
01:19:53.119 --> 01:20:02.280
and little things to come dropout pop
out here and there so so it's anybody
01:20:02.280 --> 01:20:08.159
Bueller directed very slickly in moves
very very well there is dancing
01:20:08.159 --> 01:20:13.409
the Jitterbug nature that's pretty much
what you'd expect to see its not
01:20:13.409 --> 01:20:20.820
inspired but it's right so that's
perfectly in tune to so there's one band
01:20:20.820 --> 01:20:27.379
member who has really the most severe
problem and he's handled very very
01:20:27.379 --> 01:20:34.389
beautifully in the show and I become
more interested in him because I'm
01:20:34.389 --> 01:20:37.599
concerned about his problems in getting
over it
01:20:37.599 --> 01:20:45.389
while johnnie seems to be over it and
that's so I wanna give a shoutout to Jo
01:20:45.389 --> 01:20:47.999
Carol plays that part
01:20:47.999 --> 01:20:52.309
very very nicely and the fact that I'm
drunk anymore than Donnie says that
01:20:52.309 --> 01:20:57.669
there is something wrong with the show
it is fixable I hope they fix it but we
01:20:57.669 --> 01:21:01.959
got to care more about this guy we've
got to care more about this girl and it
01:21:01.959 --> 01:21:05.669
can't just be about making it in show
business
01:21:05.669 --> 01:21:11.289
alright Michael what did you think I
agree with every word P nearly a while I
01:21:11.289 --> 01:21:15.969
here's an interesting fact it's
interesting what you hear when you you
01:21:15.969 --> 01:21:20.209
know people hear people talk who are in
the know do you know peter that
01:21:20.209 --> 01:21:24.739
apparently when we saw the show I
believe it was just about two and a half
01:21:24.739 --> 01:21:25.330
hours
01:21:25.330 --> 01:21:31.850
including the intermissions that cracks
as of like two nights before it was
01:21:31.850 --> 01:21:33.050
three hours
01:21:33.050 --> 01:21:37.470
Italy's yes and someone made an absolute
point of that because they had seen it
01:21:37.470 --> 01:21:43.980
more than once at three hours so they
really did major surgery and I guess
01:21:43.980 --> 01:21:49.440
that when it's done that quickly you
know that can result that can be a
01:21:49.440 --> 01:21:53.630
suggestion but it can also result in in
certain things that might have been
01:21:53.630 --> 01:22:00.150
smooth over if they had some more time I
yeah I i basically agree about the Corey
01:22:00.150 --> 01:22:04.270
Cott character I thought he was although
i hasten the same still much more
01:22:04.270 --> 01:22:11.640
likable than 20 in new york new york all
yeah yeah oh yeah yeah we've discussed
01:22:11.640 --> 01:22:19.630
oh yeah I I really liked the show in the
beginning and for most of the first act
01:22:19.630 --> 01:22:24.660
I bought anti-black if you work with
stellar I also like the way the
01:22:24.660 --> 01:22:32.380
songwriters to me the music was passed
ishi when in need you know it was it was
01:22:32.380 --> 01:22:38.480
creditably past ishi it did sound to me
like you know more or less like music of
01:22:38.480 --> 01:22:42.770
the time the swing and then the the pop
music of ww2
01:22:42.770 --> 01:22:49.710
post-war world war two era but there
were a couple of numbers that we're out
01:22:49.710 --> 01:22:55.480
of time and they were much less
effective I thought bets level had one
01:22:55.480 --> 01:23:00.250
or two of those I got the impression
harking back to what I just said that
01:23:00.250 --> 01:23:05.620
maybe her role had been considerably
larger I don't know that for sure but it
01:23:05.620 --> 01:23:11.550
seemed like she did not really don't
have that much to do and I thought that
01:23:11.550 --> 01:23:17.900
I love the idea of the show and I love
the art of it and the basic idea but I
01:23:17.900 --> 01:23:23.700
think that the lyrics themselves were
really not that great and including
01:23:23.700 --> 01:23:30.360
using expressions and terms that are
really not of the period and that always
01:23:30.360 --> 01:23:32.440
took me out of it if you're going to
01:23:32.440 --> 01:23:37.219
deal with PTSD I think that's fantastic
I think that's a worthy subject but the
01:23:37.219 --> 01:23:42.680
way they did it sounded like they were
doing it and you know in a 21st century
01:23:42.680 --> 01:23:53.630
way not not not in their mid 20 it so I
do agree completely flicks fixable if
01:23:53.630 --> 01:23:58.050
they could just make it have another
pass it and take more time 1906 you
01:23:58.050 --> 01:24:02.680
notice that La Russa's character and you
know I always love her she's just great
01:24:02.680 --> 01:24:10.390
but noticed that every idea that that
Danny Don excuse me
01:24:10.390 --> 01:24:16.070
Nowitzki came up with every single idea
he came up with she said no she was so
01:24:16.070 --> 01:24:20.890
everything even though I mean it's one
thing for her to do not agree to change
01:24:20.890 --> 01:24:27.719
her last name even though it's Trojan
yeah you know which one was when did you
01:24:27.719 --> 01:24:31.210
ever hear of anyone whose last name was
Trojan that took me out of it too but
01:24:31.210 --> 01:24:37.370
her married name of her dead husband is
is Trojans so she doesn't want to change
01:24:37.370 --> 01:24:41.469
it because it's her dead husband as you
remember and so I can understand her not
01:24:41.469 --> 01:24:46.260
wanting to change that name even though
it is that name but then every every
01:24:46.260 --> 01:24:50.370
idea he had about forming the band
moving it forward to how they were going
01:24:50.370 --> 01:24:56.860
to proceed she was no no no no no no no
and then every time he would make some
01:24:56.860 --> 01:25:01.770
moves that indicated that he was
interested in her she was very negative
01:25:01.770 --> 01:25:06.060
about that and then every single thing
that she said no to that she changed her
01:25:06.060 --> 01:25:10.120
mind in like a scene or two later so I
think they really need to work on that
01:25:10.120 --> 01:25:11.440
character a little bit more
01:25:11.440 --> 01:25:18.090
well also quote three lines here ok from
her if you're going to be a bandleader
01:25:18.090 --> 01:25:20.750
you going to have to learn how to talk
to people
01:25:20.750 --> 01:25:24.550
parents should one the kids about people
like you you have a habit of saying
01:25:24.550 --> 01:25:29.640
things the wrong way now and again you
know we are hearing somebody's
01:25:29.640 --> 01:25:33.360
observation here on those three of them
01:25:33.360 --> 01:25:38.630
and they were all negative in terms of
who he is and unfortunately she also has
01:25:38.630 --> 01:25:45.970
deployed in the fact that he is hard to
to take I want to Safeway Robert New
01:25:45.970 --> 01:25:49.740
Year by the way leads me to something
completely different and before I forget
01:25:49.740 --> 01:25:52.650
I really want to mention this because I
think this will be of interest to people
01:25:52.650 --> 01:25:58.540
you may know that when John Kander and
Fred ebb Road New York New York for the
01:25:58.540 --> 01:26:02.250
movies that Robert DeNiro and Liza
Minnelli would be in the narrow said
01:26:02.250 --> 01:26:06.690
they came into the sauna and analysis
that's not that's no good you can do
01:26:06.690 --> 01:26:10.390
better than that and they went they
wrote the song we know you're actually
01:26:10.390 --> 01:26:15.560
have the opportunity to thank for that
song we note however harbinger records
01:26:15.560 --> 01:26:21.620
is putting out a set of John Kander
demos and recording extend what will be
01:26:21.620 --> 01:26:25.960
on that album will be the original New
York New York so we will have a chance
01:26:25.960 --> 01:26:30.210
to hear whether or not that New York he
ought to song we like better which I
01:26:30.210 --> 01:26:35.730
guess is doubtful but anyway you'll have
a chance to hear what they came up with
01:26:35.730 --> 01:26:42.860
before I go back to work I know that's a
complete getting away from what we're
01:26:42.860 --> 01:26:46.250
talking about now apologize but I would
think that would be of interest cuz I'm
01:26:46.250 --> 01:26:51.710
looking forward to hearing that song yes
and one final thing on danced and I
01:26:51.710 --> 01:26:59.480
completely agree about Joe Carroll he
was so so compelling so appealing in
01:26:59.480 --> 01:27:04.050
that role and it was I think it was a
very well-written role so yes on both
01:27:04.050 --> 01:27:10.000
counts so the ban stance playing at the
Paper Mill Playhouse in Millburn New
01:27:10.000 --> 01:27:15.450
Jersey through November 8th and believe
they will get a chance to rework that
01:27:15.450 --> 01:27:20.010
and we'll see it again on another stage
may be on this side of the river or what
01:27:20.010 --> 01:27:24.880
it's worth it seems to me that it has
gotten very good response overall
01:27:24.880 --> 01:27:31.510
considerably better than what Peter and
I just said so but we have we spare I'll
01:27:31.510 --> 01:27:40.050
see what were you there at the opening
yes yeah ok re going crazy right next to
01:27:40.050 --> 01:27:44.310
up my Kolkata will be to the Ars Nova
theater to see Romance language so
01:27:44.310 --> 01:27:45.650
Michael want to tell us about
01:27:45.650 --> 01:27:52.340
this is another frequent case ever
played that had a really good concept
01:27:52.340 --> 01:27:58.320
but the execution was unfortunately not
as good as it could have been a new play
01:27:58.320 --> 01:28:08.320
by Joe Godfrey three-person cast we have
Audrey Hepburn in Meijer playing hey who
01:28:08.320 --> 01:28:19.100
is a middle aged obviously welty
Manhattan woman decides that she is
01:28:19.100 --> 01:28:25.830
going to get back into life and the way
she decides to do that is she hires a
01:28:25.830 --> 01:28:32.270
very attractive young man to give her
Italian lessons in her home and her
01:28:32.270 --> 01:28:37.120
husband by the way is dead but they had
been separated or divorced I can
01:28:37.120 --> 01:28:43.630
remember now before his death so that
there are a lot of issues involved in
01:28:43.630 --> 01:28:51.050
that especially when case daughter Penny
so wassup played by Marion leave and by
01:28:51.050 --> 01:28:55.870
the way the young Italian structure is
your day and he's played by jareds are
01:28:55.870 --> 01:29:02.840
really in a really amazing performance
Jared's are really I've seen in a few
01:29:02.840 --> 01:29:10.340
other things just a few he was pretty
fealty which I didn't like that so much
01:29:10.340 --> 01:29:15.410
but he was great in that also he I i
dont know I mean his name sounds Italian
01:29:15.410 --> 01:29:19.460
so I imagine he see he's got the
background but his accent really sounded
01:29:19.460 --> 01:29:27.960
absolutely perfect to me and he looked
at part just great so in a nutshell what
01:29:27.960 --> 01:29:36.150
happens is that ok and fury wind up
becoming attracted to each other she
01:29:36.150 --> 01:29:41.110
actually makes the first move in
inviting him to to the opera with her
01:29:41.110 --> 01:29:46.960
and he's very happy to do that it's the
point is maybe he you know he did not
01:29:46.960 --> 01:29:50.230
have a lot of money and he doesn't
really have a full-time job is just
01:29:50.230 --> 01:29:52.540
giving these Italian lessons
01:29:52.540 --> 01:29:56.170
so they start to become close even
though there's quite a bit of an age
01:29:56.170 --> 01:30:00.080
difference in and then the daughter
shows up and immediately assumes that
01:30:00.080 --> 01:30:05.720
you re is a gigolo and it's just after
her mother's money so the balkan the
01:30:05.720 --> 01:30:10.640
play is trying to figure out whether or
not that is true but it's complicated by
01:30:10.640 --> 01:30:16.190
the fact that it turns out that many the
daughter has a lot of daddy issues a lot
01:30:16.190 --> 01:30:21.380
of issues in the regarding these failed
relationship with her mother and her now
01:30:21.380 --> 01:30:26.660
dead father so so actually the good
thing about the play is that we really
01:30:26.660 --> 01:30:34.770
don't know and even at the end we are
not entirely sure if you re is a gigolo
01:30:34.770 --> 01:30:41.370
or if the daughter is has engineered
things and and maybe lied about things
01:30:41.370 --> 01:30:46.980
in order to shoot try to get him out of
her mother's life and I really like that
01:30:46.980 --> 01:30:51.900
very much I just thought it was quite
repetitive and could have been shorter
01:30:51.900 --> 01:31:00.030
and some of the dialogue was was rather
clunky but here again not unfixable and
01:31:00.030 --> 01:31:05.570
I i do look forward to more work by Joe
Godfrey I just think maybe maybe some
01:31:05.570 --> 01:31:10.660
more so more time spent a few have few
more drafts through which would really
01:31:10.660 --> 01:31:21.340
improve it alright so Romance language
is a Torsen over on 54th Street and it's
01:31:21.340 --> 01:31:25.930
also running through November 8 so check
it out if this interests you are Peter
01:31:25.930 --> 01:31:32.070
and Michael got a chance to see trip of
love at stage 42 which is the former
01:31:32.070 --> 01:31:33.920
little sugar is that correct
01:31:33.920 --> 01:31:38.930
get the correct and so both the you got
a chance to see its appeal to start us
01:31:38.930 --> 01:31:47.330
off with that well because the baby
boomers were busy in a youth with sex
01:31:47.330 --> 01:31:53.140
drugs rocknroll and and political
concerns they passed up scene shows
01:31:53.140 --> 01:31:59.180
nightclubs like the Latin Quarter the
coke diamond horseshoe you know so now
01:31:59.180 --> 01:32:02.170
those places are long gone but will miss
him now
01:32:02.170 --> 01:32:07.340
late middle aged and that's probably
euphemism so they feel they miss
01:32:07.340 --> 01:32:11.430
something by not going to Latin Quarter
the Cobra the diamond horseshoe they
01:32:11.430 --> 01:32:16.920
have a second chance to see a showgirl
studded review and you have to pay the
01:32:16.920 --> 01:32:21.560
dividend charge of the two drink minimum
a trip of love when you look at the
01:32:21.560 --> 01:32:26.370
directors don't you see the problem
immediately with this show because he
01:32:26.370 --> 01:32:29.270
starts talking about you know when I
never abused anyone these three times
01:32:29.270 --> 01:32:33.590
like bubbling brown sugar and those were
the good old days ok
01:32:33.590 --> 01:32:39.120
the very next paragraph and i'm quoting
now there was a time when broadway was
01:32:39.120 --> 01:32:50.310
filled with review style shows fun ok
now then he says oh right ok
01:32:50.310 --> 01:32:58.680
yes ship of love follows a young girl
and her dream after falling down the
01:32:58.680 --> 01:33:05.590
rabbit hole and taking a magic mushroom
the cast of characters and the story is
01:33:05.590 --> 01:33:11.820
her creation and her dream ok now when
when you start saying it's to review
01:33:11.820 --> 01:33:17.240
review in Plaistow story then you talk
about the story that they've created you
01:33:17.240 --> 01:33:21.630
know what it is this reviewer's you know
and so that dichotomy is really a big
01:33:21.630 --> 01:33:27.040
problem because if you could have pulled
me out and grab hold of the magic
01:33:27.040 --> 01:33:30.650
mushroom it just seemed like review to
me one song after the other
01:33:30.650 --> 01:33:36.980
the one thing I do want to point out
about your loved is that unlike smoky
01:33:36.980 --> 01:33:43.030
joe's cafe we went new basically saw a
back wall of the fire escape and little
01:33:43.030 --> 01:33:48.470
says building on here in there wow did
they throw money at this thing I'll tell
01:33:48.470 --> 01:33:55.600
you virtually every scene has a
completely different backdrop much
01:33:55.600 --> 01:34:03.170
racemes electronic and wow i mean it's
not really that it not sure eyes out as
01:34:03.170 --> 01:34:06.780
much as you say wow they really spend
money they didn't they
01:34:06.780 --> 01:34:12.460
so it's not cheap to standard cost
eleven million dollars I'm not saying
01:34:12.460 --> 01:34:17.490
I'm right about that but that's what
I've heard so it doesn't look like 11
01:34:17.490 --> 01:34:22.360
million to me I'll tell you but
nevertheless it it certainly was not
01:34:22.360 --> 01:34:26.820
done on the cheap when it could have
been we wouldn't start anything of
01:34:26.820 --> 01:34:32.260
having lunch let's set and people coming
out he singing one song after the other
01:34:32.260 --> 01:34:41.230
the people of especially a woman named
Lori wells sure looks sort of looks like
01:34:41.230 --> 01:34:47.470
started shaving yeah I thought so funny
you know I mean looking like stockard
01:34:47.470 --> 01:34:48.000
channing
01:34:48.000 --> 01:34:54.140
younger and for the fixture list but you
know i mean anyway she has a very nice
01:34:54.140 --> 01:34:58.990
voice very soldiers are very nice way
about her and she has to sing songs like
01:34:58.990 --> 01:35:01.280
both sides now
01:35:01.280 --> 01:35:05.570
the windows of your mind because we are
going back into that era of the baby
01:35:05.570 --> 01:35:10.659
boomers songs but they're not
particularly done in the way that we we
01:35:10.659 --> 01:35:14.869
heard them on the recordings sometimes
yes sometimes no and you expect that
01:35:14.869 --> 01:35:23.960
from our review she's very good if you
go away but here's the thing now if you
01:35:23.960 --> 01:35:30.409
go away she singing and above her on
platforms are two men who stripped down
01:35:30.409 --> 01:35:36.690
to their skivvies you know I guess not
going away and I mean they've gotten
01:35:36.690 --> 01:35:41.699
this invitation from her you know so but
no sooner they get down to their tighty
01:35:41.699 --> 01:35:46.880
whities relation address again I don't
know if that means that they just
01:35:46.880 --> 01:35:50.239
finished and wham bam thank you ma'am
you know they just finished I don't know
01:35:50.239 --> 01:35:55.500
what is supposed to mean I but you know
again is just a dream you know so and
01:35:55.500 --> 01:36:00.360
that such a convenient thing to do
because in a dream anything ever
01:36:00.360 --> 01:36:03.780
happened and that's where you can
justify you know I can see people going
01:36:03.780 --> 01:36:07.860
up to this James Wolski and say well
this doesn't make says hayes just a
01:36:07.860 --> 01:36:15.110
dream you know and that way you get away
with it so a woman comes on as soon as
01:36:15.110 --> 01:36:21.280
you don't own me and we don't know who
you is but then I guess you comes on and
01:36:21.280 --> 01:36:25.739
for a few seconds she sings to him and
then he sings what becomes of the
01:36:25.739 --> 01:36:29.440
brokenhearted so I guess he's broken
hearted and but either from on his side
01:36:29.440 --> 01:36:36.250
of her sides of it it's it's not as
terrible as I'm making a sound really
01:36:36.250 --> 01:36:40.980
isn't you know I mean it just it just
sits there you you said you watch you
01:36:40.980 --> 01:36:45.989
listen you go home I was at a party the
other night and a woman came up to me
01:36:45.989 --> 01:36:50.070
told me she'd seems that the old songs
again and if you can go with that
01:36:50.070 --> 01:36:53.900
vantage point you know if you're in the
old songs again you gonna be alright by
01:36:53.900 --> 01:37:00.340
the thing is because the sixties they
decide to bring some political issues
01:37:00.340 --> 01:37:02.179
and
01:37:02.179 --> 01:37:07.360
like where have all the flowers gone if
you know that song which and the woman
01:37:07.360 --> 01:37:11.739
who sings the line gone to graveyards
everywhere just won't stop smiling
01:37:11.739 --> 01:37:17.999
anymore than in a pen marked as a
ruthless a kid I mean it's just amazing
01:37:17.999 --> 01:37:25.840
to me how she's smiling while seen that
means so and you know given the show is
01:37:25.840 --> 01:37:29.599
called trip of love they would have
gotten away with not having to deal with
01:37:29.599 --> 01:37:33.320
political stuff and I think they would
have been better off because otherwise
01:37:33.320 --> 01:37:37.249
you just such a river how could that
song was and you know when you bring the
01:37:37.249 --> 01:37:43.050
political stuff gotta remember this was
a tumultuous time and a lot of no jokes
01:37:43.050 --> 01:37:48.070
during the period of time so I don't
think a show called your love is under a
01:37:48.070 --> 01:37:53.260
responsibility to deal with this and I
think that's one of the places they went
01:37:53.260 --> 01:37:59.369
wrong but whatever way you not gonna
feel you get your money's worth in terms
01:37:59.369 --> 01:38:03.709
of what your eyes see Michael what did
you think again
01:38:03.709 --> 01:38:09.849
agree with every word that did there was
actually a number that was actually set
01:38:09.849 --> 01:38:14.539
in vietnam I believe it was blowing in
the wind with the two guys were sitting
01:38:14.539 --> 01:38:19.019
on the stage and obviously there are
supposed to be there I think they're
01:38:19.019 --> 01:38:25.360
tremendous mistake was attempting to
have any kind of a story whether you
01:38:25.360 --> 01:38:31.280
know even as ridiculous as it may be in
that note you read and whether whether
01:38:31.280 --> 01:38:35.630
you know and if they were going to have
money I mean really the shifts from
01:38:35.630 --> 01:38:43.269
incredibly light hearted songs like
downtown and and it's not unusual to do
01:38:43.269 --> 01:38:48.630
you know where have all the flowers gone
and and and these anti war peace songs
01:38:48.630 --> 01:38:55.650
it's it's done so badly that you like
are you serious I don't I wish he hadn't
01:38:55.650 --> 01:39:01.409
done that I think this fellow James
Wolski it was actually the credit is
01:39:01.409 --> 01:39:02.769
created
01:39:02.769 --> 01:39:06.880
directed and choreographed I think I
know there I was needed you know I
01:39:06.880 --> 01:39:11.239
really do and this show actually it made
me sad more than anything because there
01:39:11.239 --> 01:39:13.610
is so much talent
01:39:13.610 --> 01:39:20.210
on stage and I think the choreography
although to use that word you used to
01:39:20.210 --> 01:39:27.230
advance and it's not like innovative but
it wouldn't it's not supposed to be the
01:39:27.230 --> 01:39:32.210
choreography for what it was supposed to
be is excellent and the performance of
01:39:32.210 --> 01:39:40.030
it is is beyond great that kept this one
of the hardest working cast ever a shout
01:39:40.030 --> 01:39:45.050
out to David elder who we know from
among other things the 42nd Street
01:39:45.050 --> 01:39:52.330
revival and Titanic still singing and
dancing and looking like a million
01:39:52.330 --> 01:40:00.620
dollars as George also Austin Miller
from Greece live when rebels that that
01:40:00.620 --> 01:40:05.470
TV reality show and Laura wells yeah I I
thought she had an absolutely beautiful
01:40:05.470 --> 01:40:10.980
voice although some of her phrasing
bothered me I would have I would have
01:40:10.980 --> 01:40:14.460
said you know can you may be seeing some
of those note values the way they're
01:40:14.460 --> 01:40:20.320
written but I don't know if that was her
choice also Joey Calipari has been the
01:40:20.320 --> 01:40:26.720
shoot things beyond Figgins cherub polls
show and this Kelly felt house I guess
01:40:26.720 --> 01:40:33.150
that was her right Carolina whose vocal
resemblance to Kristin Chenoweth was
01:40:33.150 --> 01:40:38.650
absolutely freakish I thought and I know
to other people who agreed with me so I
01:40:38.650 --> 01:40:43.680
I guess it wasn't hearing things listed
in her lower register they were there
01:40:43.680 --> 01:40:49.740
was no soprano in this so we didn't get
to hear that but she's so much like her
01:40:49.740 --> 01:40:54.070
and even looked a little bit like a
little devils great but yeah I was sorry
01:40:54.070 --> 01:40:58.790
that this show came from Japan did you
mention that which I guess partly
01:40:58.790 --> 01:41:04.800
explains the money and partly explains
why the hell prints is now in Japan he
01:41:04.800 --> 01:41:13.190
said that the projections are state of
the art mind-boggling Radio City Music
01:41:13.190 --> 01:41:21.060
Hall Christmas Spectacular level the
sets also are very very expensive and
01:41:21.060 --> 01:41:28.340
elaborate I i one of the things about
the show is that there were a few things
01:41:28.340 --> 01:41:33.030
in it that at all we're so tasteless
that they brought down the the level of
01:41:33.030 --> 01:41:37.590
the whole thing so if those things have
been cut that would have been that would
01:41:37.590 --> 01:41:40.940
make me feel better that the set-piece
they used at the beginning and the end I
01:41:40.940 --> 01:41:46.180
guess to represent the rabbit hole to me
it just looked like a big vagina and
01:41:46.180 --> 01:41:53.470
then there was one point where active
the end of Act one is ever and I guess
01:41:53.470 --> 01:41:59.670
the aforementioned Lori well as well as
he was supposed to be seeing the at the
01:41:59.670 --> 01:42:07.040
wedding of Adam and Caroline but in the
meantime angela is sitting on a swing
01:42:07.040 --> 01:42:13.530
that's hanging from the flies and it's
like really you know so there were a few
01:42:13.530 --> 01:42:18.990
things over there were really tasteless
III love the costumes you know as over
01:42:18.990 --> 01:42:22.620
the top as they were but but there again
if there had not been any serious
01:42:22.620 --> 01:42:28.440
content in the show it it would have
been easier it would have been easier to
01:42:28.440 --> 01:42:32.840
take because then you wouldn't have
questioned some of the things that were
01:42:32.840 --> 01:42:40.020
really over the top in and maybe not in
great taste so I I felt I am I felt sad
01:42:40.020 --> 01:42:47.240
and a little angry that somewhat there
hadn't been another I to help this James
01:42:47.240 --> 01:42:50.300
Wolski in putting this this piece
together cuz I think that would have
01:42:50.300 --> 01:42:56.210
helped tremendously Michael Matt
mentioned Adam and Angela who have the
01:42:56.210 --> 01:43:00.820
other one was they all have games
they're not just their actors names of
01:43:00.820 --> 01:43:04.450
the programs they all have names but you
would never know it nobody reversers to
01:43:04.450 --> 01:43:08.550
each other by that name so you have to
do more than just give me characters
01:43:08.550 --> 01:43:14.290
names to make some characters so
four-month scenes in the next I never
01:43:14.290 --> 01:43:18.060
got the impression anybody was character
I just got the impression they were
01:43:18.060 --> 01:43:20.500
coming out and singing the song
01:43:20.500 --> 01:43:25.460
so triple of his playing at stage 42 its
open-ended and they're selling tickets
01:43:25.460 --> 01:43:33.960
through June do we think that it's going
to find an audience we don't know though
01:43:33.960 --> 01:43:38.240
I am NOT 100% certain that is that would
have been before I met this lady of a
01:43:38.240 --> 01:43:42.320
party to bring up the thing that I hear
a lot from all of the shows like Smokey
01:43:42.320 --> 01:43:47.960
Joe's café and that is it's good to
hear the old songs again I Jersey Boys
01:43:47.960 --> 01:43:51.650
to Jersey Boys of course has a very good
book a solid book and I know that's one
01:43:51.650 --> 01:43:56.280
of the reasons why it's been here now
and forever but the thing is that all
01:43:56.280 --> 01:44:03.780
things considered the average person who
hasn't heard these songs the average
01:44:03.780 --> 01:44:08.100
baby-boomer hasn't heard these songs in
a while we'll get some sort of happiness
01:44:08.100 --> 01:44:13.930
out of that so so well I don't think
they'll be here through June they may be
01:44:13.930 --> 01:44:21.020
here a few days more than I suspect one
more plus and minus there is there I had
01:44:21.020 --> 01:44:28.330
forgotten or didn't even realize there's
an actual orchestra pit in theater and
01:44:28.330 --> 01:44:33.720
open orchestra pit in this case which is
fantastic and I thought the I thought
01:44:33.720 --> 01:44:39.800
the arrangements and orchestrations were
really excellent but on the minus side I
01:44:39.800 --> 01:44:46.440
thought everything was a little too loud
so so there's that plus and minus all
01:44:46.440 --> 01:44:54.270
right before we wrap up my Kolkata got a
chance to see product production of ok a
01:44:54.270 --> 01:45:00.060
musical tonight and while it is closing
today October 25th we wanted to mention
01:45:00.060 --> 01:45:03.850
it for an outstanding performance of
Michael wanna tell us about that yes
01:45:03.850 --> 01:45:08.030
full disclosure as I've mentioned before
I take the production photos for the
01:45:08.030 --> 01:45:08.700
company
01:45:08.700 --> 01:45:12.840
musical tonight so take that for what
it's worth but I have to say this is one
01:45:12.840 --> 01:45:19.120
of their best shows ever they have a new
director choreographer for this show
01:45:19.120 --> 01:45:25.740
Casey Colgan they actually have five new
directors for the five shows they're
01:45:25.740 --> 01:45:30.650
doing this coming season one of whom is
Evan pappas did you know that Peter no I
01:45:30.650 --> 01:45:31.460
didn't
01:45:31.460 --> 01:45:36.570
yeah and so they've they've gotten new
blood in it they had initially announced
01:45:36.570 --> 01:45:42.330
that this is going to be the last season
but I think that they have the whole
01:45:42.330 --> 01:45:49.800
hold companies feels reinvigorated and
and it's so they did they have announced
01:45:49.800 --> 01:45:53.090
that there is not going to be the last
season that they're 18 season by the way
01:45:53.090 --> 01:45:56.980
so hopefully they'll at least make it 20
if not beyond but I did want to mention
01:45:56.980 --> 01:46:04.520
to show because for a few things it this
is the original ok not the awful rewrite
01:46:04.520 --> 01:46:09.540
nice work if you can get it that we saw
a few years ago and the cast was really
01:46:09.540 --> 01:46:13.960
very strong about the across the board
but I really do want to mention this
01:46:13.960 --> 01:46:22.210
Elizabeth Broadhurst who I thought was
stellar SK she just had so much charisma
01:46:22.210 --> 01:46:29.000
a lovely surprise know her two separate
British accents upper class and lower
01:46:29.000 --> 01:46:35.830
sounded great to me and she looked
beautiful and and just seemed really
01:46:35.830 --> 01:46:42.550
sparkled on stage and I i do think that
we are going to hear much more from her
01:46:42.550 --> 01:46:47.940
so far she has played grace in any at
Madison Square Garden with kathy lee
01:46:47.940 --> 01:46:52.060
gifford and John shock and she has
toured as missus banks and Mary
01:46:52.060 --> 01:46:59.370
understudy in Mary Poppins and she did a
European Tour's hair 1776 at the Guthrie
01:46:59.370 --> 01:47:04.500
as Martha just Jefferson I i really I
think you're going to hear her name
01:47:04.500 --> 01:47:09.780
again so so definitely remember that
Elizabeth Broadhurst let's hear at the
01:47:09.780 --> 01:47:16.370
Broadhurst I was just thinking all right
so that kind of wraps it up for this
01:47:16.370 --> 01:47:20.360
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the things we've talked about today so
01:47:54.460 --> 01:47:59.270
the answer the trivia from last week
Michael wanna check that yes the
01:47:59.270 --> 01:48:06.850
question was there is a musical in which
at one point the leading lady calls
01:48:06.850 --> 01:48:11.350
herself by another name she tells the
leading man that her name is something
01:48:11.350 --> 01:48:15.790
other than it actually is and she took
pics another name
01:48:15.790 --> 01:48:21.000
there's another musical at which at one
point the leading man calls the leading
01:48:21.000 --> 01:48:26.150
lady by the name other than her own and
in both of those cases the name is the
01:48:26.150 --> 01:48:29.480
same so the question was what is the
name of the characters what are the
01:48:29.480 --> 01:48:35.310
shows and the name is Mel assigned
because in bells are ringing Ella
01:48:35.310 --> 01:48:40.910
Peterson finally meets Jeffrey Moss but
he doesn't realize that she does she's
01:48:40.910 --> 01:48:47.390
the woman who's been taking his abstract
service messages and she doesn't want
01:48:47.390 --> 01:48:50.880
him to know that so at one point he asks
her name and she says
01:48:50.880 --> 01:49:01.400
melis under Scots and then in 110 in the
shade when Lizzie and Starbucks finally
01:49:01.400 --> 01:49:06.280
start to get together later in the show
he says something to the effect of
01:49:06.280 --> 01:49:10.630
lizzie is it's not a you know it's it's
a common name it's not it doesn't suit
01:49:10.630 --> 01:49:14.570
you and your name should be something
like Nellis and then he sings a whole
01:49:14.570 --> 01:49:22.520
really beautiful song a really fantastic
number called malice on about
01:49:22.520 --> 01:49:29.220
weaving this fantastic tale of the
Golden Fleece and he he puts together
01:49:29.220 --> 01:49:34.120
hamlet in the story of Jason and the
Argonauts and then use this wonderful
01:49:34.120 --> 01:49:39.970
really funny beautiful tale about about
this
01:49:39.970 --> 01:49:46.020
el-assad and then the man who is
striving for her so this week out to be
01:49:46.020 --> 01:49:50.680
correct answers to the question the
first from Carolina card the second from
01:49:50.680 --> 01:49:54.980
John Bakerella and that their trim steve
bell and one interesting thing is John
01:49:54.980 --> 01:49:59.190
Bakerella wrote and I had to laugh
because I knew exactly what he meant he
01:49:59.190 --> 01:50:03.320
said he had to double check it because
he wasn't sure if he'll let Peterson
01:50:03.320 --> 01:50:08.760
said her name was Milla since it was
funny because I first new bells are
01:50:08.760 --> 01:50:14.220
ringing from the original cast recording
before I had seen it before I did the
01:50:14.220 --> 01:50:21.280
show before I saw the movie and it does
sound to me like she says like she sings
01:50:21.280 --> 01:50:26.120
judy holliday sings he's in love with
millicent Scott but it wasn't until I
01:50:26.120 --> 01:50:29.880
saw the movie and then read the script
of the show and we did in high school
01:50:29.880 --> 01:50:35.310
that I found out that it in fact that
smell assigned so I'm glad to know I
01:50:35.310 --> 01:50:40.650
wasn't the only one who thought you said
millicent Peter give us the new trivia
01:50:40.650 --> 01:50:47.960
question sure call me McKenzie has been
a character in what world-famous musical
01:50:47.960 --> 01:50:57.050
that said can you can see has been a
character and what world-famous musical
01:50:57.050 --> 01:50:59.560
is the first named Connie
01:50:59.560 --> 01:51:06.940
CNN I E that's right are ready if you
know that answer email us at trivia at
01:51:06.940 --> 01:51:13.930
broader video.com and we will let you
know if you come up on the right answers
01:51:13.930 --> 01:51:19.400
so on behalf of Michael port entier Matt
tammany and beautiful Asia this is James
01:51:19.400 --> 01:51:23.240
Moreno sink thanks so much for listen to
Broadway video this week on broadway bye
01:51:23.240 --> 01:51:25.280
bye bye
01:51:25.280 --> 01:51:29.950
I've got the greatest named the greatest
name
01:51:29.950 --> 01:51:35.190
just he's
01:51:35.190 --> 01:51:42.380
I don't like it that's because you don't
know anything about it when I tell you
01:51:42.380 --> 01:51:44.070
who she was
01:51:44.070 --> 01:51:52.710
lady when I tell you who she were who
why she was the most beautiful
01:51:52.710 --> 01:51:58.920
she was a beautiful wife of King Hamlet
ever hear of him
01:51:58.920 --> 01:52:14.060
go on Starbucks somewhere that well
royal fella King Hamlet who had a total
01:52:14.060 --> 01:52:27.280
dog and he loved her so I tell you what
medicine was bothered so tell me what
01:52:27.280 --> 01:52:36.190
you need and Ellis I've got me a dream
I've always wanted a golden fleece and
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